End Crater map

[DmonSlyr]

Its all about the map. Like Northco on Tuesday was a night and day difference. Fights on all sides, easy to know where the battle is and get to it. I had a blast. Then last night on Crater, rooks nore bish even looked at knits side and there was no battle. I thought about switching, but bish I think needed the help however they had the high #s already. One thing that is tough is knowing who is winning the battle on the other side. Sometimes you can based on flashing bases but its tough. And if you switch to the team whose winning the battle on accident, then just clowned yourself because now your just helping the side who doesnt need helped and now cant switch back to the former team or the other to help them out. Ive been switching a lot less lately because the sides have been somewhat even with skill level over the last few months. There are just certain maps that arent building the battles on all sides and those should be modified or removed to fit the current player #s. When you have a map like Northco and fights on all sides, thats what really drives the off hours #s and builds a larger player base throughout the night. 

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Its all about the map. Like Northco on Tuesday was a night and day difference. Fights on all sides, easy to know where the battle is and get to it. I had a blast. Then last night on Crater, rooks nore bish even looked at knits side and there was no battle. I thought about switching, but bish I think needed the help however they had the high #s already. One thing that is tough is knowing who is winning the battle on the other side. Sometimes you can based on flashing bases but its tough. And if you switch to the team whose winning the battle on accident, then just clowned yourself because now your just helping the side who doesnt need helped and now cant switch back to the former team or the other to help them out. Ive been switching a lot less lately because the sides have been somewhat even with skill level over the last few months. There are just certain maps that arent building the battles on all sides and those should be modified or removed to fit the current player #s. When you have a map like Northco and fights on all sides, thats what really drives the off hours #s and builds a larger player base throughout the night.

Yeah, last night was not much fun. No good fights at all despite being decent numbers. LCA is on knights. We just flew around bombing strat and taking out radar. No way to get close to a good fight.

[Greebo]

I have done some work on my revised CraterMA map (now called CalderaMA) and posted an update on it in the Terrain Editor Forum here. Any further work I do on it will be subject to Hitech approving the changes and also fixing a bug with the AH Cloud Editor.

[mERv]

There is nothing wrong with this map from a strategic point of few. The way you get to good fights is to start good fights. That begins with pushing a base then actually threatening to take it. This isn’t the DA it’s the MA with low numbers.

Keep crater and go push a base. I never have a problem finding “action”

[Animl-AW]

Wed and Thurs tend to have lower numbers. June 3 was Wed.

Like merv said, you can’t just wait for the fight to come to you.

Between wanting to perk all late war planes
Complaining about rubber bullets
A map doesn’t produce fights, even though the rest of us were in fights
30 mm not working

And then posting on radio the bbs needs more drama and you’re going to post something to stir the pot, your complaints are becoming invalid to me.

Fly something besides a 109
Get your hands dirty and create a battle, its not a restaurant.
Stop the rubber bullet thing and know you just can’t hit every target every time. You’re not so good you can never miss and it shouldn’t be an embarrassment when you do.
Don’t think you’re goin to be #1 every tour.

Broken record repeat
The numbers right now, no matter the sub count, are the same numbers when I returned in 22. I study this crap.

The 2-3 doomsayers here who keep preaching the numbers are dropping, no new players, are absolutely clueless. 95-120 are the same exact numbers as 2022.

Relax, man

[Dadtallica]

You absolutely do not study this crap.

There are clearly less people here on a nightly basis then there were two years ago.

The decline has slowed because it’s down to the floorboards now. Not much left to leave.

[Animl-AW]

You absolutely do not study this crap.

There are clearly less people here on a nightly basis then there were two years ago.

The decline has slowed because it’s down to the floorboards now. Not much left to leave.

You are clueless.

[Lusche]

Over the last three tours, Ah had 6.6 percent fewer pilots and 5.7 percent fewer total flight hours than in the same period a year earlier.
Compared with two years ago, the decline stands at around 20 percent.

[Animl-AW]

Over the last three tours, Ah had 6.6 percent fewer pilots and 5.7 percent fewer total flight hours than in the same period a year earlier.
Compared with two years ago, the decline stands at around 20 percent.

Also put normal summer number declines to that equation. Not questioning your findings, but from summer to winter may be somewhat opposite.

But fir someone else to come in here and constantly soeak like its dead soon is a negative impact in itself. Basically the fool us telling bbs viewers its not worth it.

Take note; the same doomsayers who said its dead soon gave been saying it for 15 yrs. And that my friend IS clueless. I gather some day it will die and they will be claiming to be right, even though wrong for 8-15 yrs.

If someone jeeps saying that crap for sure it talks people out of it. Its cancer from morons

I don’t have access like you do but I read patterns. Fir him to say I don’t study us just being a hateful punk

We might as well put up a sign
“Numbers are too low, don’t bother”

[Animl-AW]

2 yrs ago was MotA boom where we hit 160-200 at prime time in the MA, those were not normal numbers. We got a spike. And YKW drove iff what we acquired then. So 20% since MotA sounds right. But it’s comparing now to a spike of 2 months

Correct me if I’m wrong

Out of 100 we lost 7 players in summer decline, correct?

Explains why we are at 95-110 than winter 100-120 or even 130

Thats below normal summer decline?

He talks as if we lose 20-30, like when he was part of a drama storm here. Like attacking me now. We kniw he diesn’t study, he just likes being a bbs JO

[Lusche]

Correct me if I’m wrong

Out of 100 we lost 7 players in summer decline, correct?

Explains why we are at 95-110 than winter 100-120 or even 130

Thats below normal summer decline?

I only compare like-for-like periods. I compare summer with summer, winter with winter, and one month with the same month in the previous year.
Generally speaking, there are fewer players (and fewer hours played) in every summer than in the previous summer, and every winter is worse than the one before. There have been a few temporary upturns and exceptions, particularly with the launch of ‘Steam’ and at the start of the coronavirus pandemic. And the exact amount of decline varied - we had years with 20% loss, and years with very little.

‘Spotting patterns’ is a tricky business. Unless you keep at least some systematic notes, it’s easy to spot patterns that aren’t really there, especially when personal interests are involved. And memory can be a treacherous thing – Been there, done that

[Animl-AW]

I go by the nightly MA number pattern at prime time.

Its very odd pattern that remains SO FAR,
5pm ct 50 players
6pm ct 60 players
7pm ct 70 players
8 pm ct 80-120
9pm ct -and later 95-65

The only diff is Wed or Thurs seem to have lower numbers like 85-95.

These are very easy patterns to follow. Everyone can see the same thing I do

Prime time numbers have not changed much depending on season.

When returned and I started watching its still 95-112 peak. Anyone can search my findings back then

[Lusche]

I go by the nightly MA number pattern at prime time.

Its very odd pattern that remains SO FAR,
5pm ct 50 players
6pm ct 60 players
7pm ct 70 players
8 pm ct 80-120
9pm ct -and later 95-65

The only diff is Wed or Thurs seem to have lower numbers like 85-95.

These are very easy patterns to follow. Everyone can see the same thing I do

Prime time numbers have not changed much depending on season.

When returned and I started watching its still 95-112 peak. Anyone can search my findings back then

First, absolute loss is lower these days than the relative one due to lower overall numbers. 10% loss ain't as many individual pilots than 10 loss back in the day. on A graph, the curve seems to flatten, even if the percentage of loss is still the same. So sometimes it's harder to note - especially you don't write that stuff down meticulously,

And to your findings in particular- what is your source? Did you just work from memory? Is that anecdotal? Or did you take written notes, so that you can systematically compare actual data for comparable periods?
If so, I would be very interested in comparing your data to the data I am gathering from the games stats and scores.


By the way, when exactly was your return?

[DmonSlyr]

Wed and Thurs tend to have lower numbers. June 3 was Wed.

Like merv said, you can’t just wait for the fight to come to you.

Between wanting to perk all late war planes
Complaining about rubber bullets
A map doesn’t produce fights, even though the rest of us were in fights
30 mm not working

And then posting on radio the bbs needs more drama and you’re going to post something to stir the pot, your complaints are becoming invalid to me.

Fly something besides a 109
Get your hands dirty and create a battle, its not a restaurant.
Stop the rubber bullet thing and know you just can’t hit every target every time. You’re not so good you can never miss and it shouldn’t be an embarrassment when you do.
Don’t think you’re goin to be #1 every tour.

Broken record repeat
The numbers right now, no matter the sub count, are the same numbers when I returned in 22. I study this crap.

The 2-3 doomsayers here who keep preaching the numbers are dropping, no new players, are absolutely clueless. 95-120 are the same exact numbers as 2022.

Relax, man

You guys were going from base to base attacking undefended bases for 6 hours. Not a single group of rooks or bish rolled to defend. This always happens on maps thats are too large and I always notice lower #s on these maps. They are espcially tough when knights couldn't fly over and fight the other 2 teams without a very long fight.

Yes, perking super late war planes would go a long way. Bringing a few fighters like the yak3 and 190D down to an 7-8 eny would go a long way. These planes are running players off because they are over used and 190s are boring to fight and everyone knows yak3s are ridiculous. People get tired of dealing with them.

Yes, 50s are very weak now because of server latency. I think they need to be turned up. You dont even fly the P51 anymore because its easier to get kills with the 500 190D 20mms than the P51 50 cals. The 30mm is very interesting but you dont fly it enough to know what you are talking about and I think it should be looked at.

Im going 16-0 in a P38L right now im pretty sure I fly other planes too.  btw, I dont try for #1 every tour but when I have a shot I take it, and id like to be able to share that with my friends which is why it cracks me up the first time I got #1 in a while the scores are messed up. 

Remember that Ive been doing this a very long time and know how to spot trends. Seeing that you dont play as competively as me, and thats perfectly fine, I wouldn't expect you to notice these kinds of trends.

[DmonSlyr]

Thank you Greebo!!