Idiocracy again..

[CptTrips]

To what end?  Simply to satisfy people's lurid curiosity?

Well, first, because that is what Trumpstein promised in his campaign (Yeah, I know, he promised no new ME wars either). 

Second  because Congress passed a law and Trumpstein signed it demanding the release.

Third, we really don't know what's in there.  Why are so many files withheld on National Security reasons?  What about a pedo is national security? Certainly any natsec redaction should face careful bi-partisan + judicial review.

We do know that Wexner's name was mentioned many times except the one document where he was accused by a victim of being a co-conspirator.  That mention was "accidentally" improperly redacted.  Maybe all the redactions are BS.  That example alone proves why all the redactions need to be reviewed by non-administration entities.  Trumpstein can not be trusted.

Maybe the natsec redactions are revealing the whole thing started as a Mossad Honey-Pot operation to get extortion material on American politicians and business leaders. 

Maybe those are the "friends" Trumpstein admitted to MTG might be hurt if he allowed the files to be fully released.

[Spikes]

First deal. You are absolutely correct. In fact, that makes it pretty obvious that the DoJ was turning a blind eye toward Epstein. But who were his known associates? It wasn't Bush, or any significant member of his administration. And do you REALLY think Bush actually purged the DoJ of the Clinton people?

Again, look who was actually in control of the DoJ. It wasn't Bush, or his administration. If you study the DoJ, in detail, you'll see that it is politically compromised, as is the CIA, among other agencies. At least half the time, even the AG is not in control. Do you really believe that Pam Bondi was in control of anything? I seriously doubt Patel even has complete control of the FBI, although he does seem to have some decent influence.

Consider that Epstein obviously continued to operate AFTER that initial deal. During which era?

That's a lot of mental gymnastics and tin-foil hatting to come to those sorts of conclusions. I've never heard it from the POV of the Bush DOJ not doing enough (I guess?) so it's Obama's fault. That's a new one.

Anyway, I agree with Trips. Now that everything is unsealed and in the open, the guy who campaigned on releasing the files has the ability to do so, in their entirety, not redacted, aside from minors. Do it to it.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Blah blah blah.

Trumpstein is POTUS now.

Release the files now.  All of them.  The only redactions should be the names of under-18.  NNOTHING ELSE.  Let the chips fall where they may.  Why would Trumpstein fear that?  Why would you?

Trumpstein is some kind of Superman and he can't order the release of some files?

HE can start a war, but can't get some paperwork released?

MTG already revealed that Trump admitted to her he doesn't want the files released.

Oh, yeah, because Green is some sort of irrefutable unimpeachable source.


And you do realize that the unredacted files were likely destroyed, right? Or are you really that stupid?

The FBI has been found to be full of burn bags, odds are more were "burnt" than were forgotten.

[CptTrips]

Oh, yeah, because Green is some sort of irrefutable unimpeachable source.

So prove me wrong and release all the files currently in possession without any redactions other than for the names of minors.

Why work so hard to protect pedo's?  It's not a good look.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

That's a lot of mental gymnastics and tin-foil hatting to come to those sorts of conclusions. I've never heard it from the POV of the Bush DOJ not doing enough (I guess?) so it's Obama's fault. That's a new one.

Anyway, I agree with Trips. Now that everything is unsealed and in the open, the guy who campaigned on releasing the files has the ability to do so, in their entirety, not redacted, aside from minors. Do it to it.

Never ONCE did I blame the Obama/Biden/Harris DoJ for the failures of the George W. Bush DoJ.

I have, however, said for DECADES that the DoJ has been fully compromised and corrupted, and has not actually worked on behalf of actual justice, or the citizens, but rather the government, and in particular, the part of the government that they support. That has gone on since the nineteen-forties, in an ever increasing scale.


Further, odds are very little of the actual files remains, especially unredacted. Do you REALLY believe that the corrupt DoJ has kept those files pristine, unaltered, and complete? At best, they have kept what they believe they can use to further their agenda. And if, as so many claim, Trump or his associates were compromised by those files, they'd have released that already. And if it compromised Israel, they'd have released it as well. But they haven't. Given that the enemies of Trump, and the conservative movement, and Israel, held those files for a collective TWELVE YEARS, do you REALLY believe that Trump has anything to lose by releasing them? What Trump actually said was that the "Epstein files" have become nothing more than a distraction being used for political purposes. The release has been opposed far more by democrat appointed judges, who blocked the release after Epstein was dead and Maxwell was in prison.

To be perfectly clear, I'd love to see each and every person guilty of anything that is in those files exposed, indicted, convicted, and punished swiftly and severely. The flip side is the Trump administration has released millions of pages, no other administration released anything significant.

[CptTrips]

The flip side is the Trump administration has released millions of pages, no other administration released anything significant.

Yet withholds millions more.

My guess is the more interesting ones.

"The Epstein Files Transparency Act (passed and signed in late 2025), the law required the Attorney General to make public ALL unclassified Epstein-related records within 30 days of enactment."

Trumpstein signed that to get the heat off but had no intention of complying.

And classifying a bunch of stuff to protect your rich pedo friends shouldn't be a strategy.  Those need judicial review to verify the admin has faithfully obeyed the law.

And why did Trumpstein fight so hard against that law?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Well, first, because that is what Trumpstein promised in his campaign (Yeah, I know, he promised no new ME wars either). 

Second  because Congress passed a law and Trumpstein signed it demanding the release.

Third, we really don't know what's in there.  Why are so many files withheld on National Security reasons?  What about a pedo is national security? Certainly any natsec redaction should face careful bi-partisan + judicial review.

We do know that Wexner's name was mentioned many times except the one document where he was accused by a victim of being a co-conspirator.  That mention was "accidentally" improperly redacted.  Maybe all the redactions are BS.  That example alone proves why all the redactions need to be reviewed by non-administration entities.  Trumpstein can not be trusted.

Maybe the natsec redactions are revealing the whole thing started as a Mossad Honey-Pot operation to get extortion material on American politicians and business leaders. 

Maybe those are the "friends" Trumpstein admitted to MTG might be hurt if he allowed the files to be fully released.

Your hypocrisy literally knows no bounds, at all.

And your obsession with the "Trumpstein" fantasy shows a level of utter delusion. Again, the files were held during TWELVE YEARS of Obama/Biden/Harris and their DoJ, which went so far as to pursue parents who opposed school board actions, and THEY obviously would have known about ANY part of the files that could damage Trump or his associates, but released nothing, and prosecuted no one. The same DoJ that knowingly ran false flag operations based on paid political opposition "information" that their own people admitted was proven false. But you would have everyone believe they didn't pursue actual factual evidence of crimes of pedophilia by Trump and his associates, that you now claim Trump is concealing.

Seriously, that is as delusional as gender dysphoria.

[CptTrips]

Your hypocrisy literally knows no bounds, at all.

So prove me wrong.

Release ALL the files with only redactions for minors.

THAT is what Trumpstein promised in the campaign.  THAT is what the law requires.


Why don't you want all the pedo's exposed?  Why are you so determined to protect them?

Why is the name of a GOP donor like Wexner redacted (illegally) in the one instance where a victim accused him of being a co-conspirator but not in thousands of other documents?

Are you really claiming that was an innocent accident?  Really?  Seriously?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

So prove me wrong.

Release ALL the files with only redactions for minors.

THAT is what Trumpstein promised in the campaign.  THAT is what the law requires.


Why don't you want all the pedo's exposed?  Why are you so determined to protect them?

Why is the name of a GOP donor like Wexner redacted (illegally) in the one instance where a victim accused him of being a co-conspirator but not in thousands of other documents?

Are you really claiming that was an innocent accident?  Really?  Seriously?

Let's boil your "position" down to the bare bones basics.

Obama/Biden/Harris and their DoJ held these files, in their entirity for a combined TWELVE YEARS. During which they had full access to the unredacted versions.

During those same twelve years, they ran multiple government operations by various departments to "get Trump", at nearly ANY cost, with evidence that under normal circumstances would not even get them a basic search warrant.

However, your position is that Trump, the guy Obama/Biden/Harris pursued relentlessly at all costs, is the person hiding what is on those files because it will damage him and his associates.

But for TWELVE YEARS Trumps mortal enemies held those files, and investigated, indicted, and prosecuted two people, neither of whom was associated with Trump. But, by the way, BOTH of those people prosecuted WERE known associates of multiple democrats, including Clinton, who was in fact the Secretary of State under Obama/Biden.

And according to you, Trump has to release them unredacted to prove he and his associates are not pedophiles.

Your "position" is utterly ludicrous and hypocritical.


 

[CptTrips]

Let's boil your "position" down to the bare bones basics.

My position is even simpler.

Obey the law.   
Release the files. 
All of them.
Now.

It's your "position" that requires paragraphs of contortion.

Right is usually simpler, but that is not saying always painless.

[Spikes]

Never ONCE did I blame the Obama/Biden/Harris DoJ for the failures of the George W. Bush DoJ.

Well, that is certainly how it reads. The "sweetheart deal" allowed Epstein to keep doing things and Obama and Biden did nothing about it.

Anyway, can you provide a source to where an Obama or Biden DOJ gave Epstein said "sweetheart deal"?

The case was mostly ignored by Obama/Biden, after Epstein was given a sweetheart deal by their DoJ.

[Eagler]

Both can be true guys..

I appreciate the back and forth with the occasional "IN" thrown in...

Eagler

[icepac]

Teddy Roosevelt had sanctioned boxing matches at the white house and was often on the card himself until an eye injury convinced him to learn Jiu Jitsu. 

Way ahead of his time.

[CptTrips]

Well, that is certainly how it reads. The "sweetheart deal" allowed Epstein to keep doing things and Obama and Biden did nothing about it.

Anyway, can you provide a source to where an Obama or Biden DOJ gave Epstein said "sweetheart deal"?

He is probably refering to:

"The 2008 Deal: The original non-prosecution agreement, which critics and victims labeled the "deal of the century," was signed and finalized under then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta and Palm Beach state prosecutors during the Bush administration. It shielded Epstein and his co-conspirators from extensive federal charges, resulting in a lenient sentence for soliciting a minor for prostitution."

But to me this is NOT a Dem vs GOP thing.  Obviously Mossad would want dirt on both parties.  They want leverage on WHOEVER is in power at a critical moment.  They are not interested in our culture wars.  We are merely a tool for them.  An asset.

Look.  I believe this started as a Mossad Honey-Pot operation to get extortion material on influential politicians and businessmen.  Leverage they could use when needed to serve Israel's needs.  (I think it later became a broader intel brokerage for friends of Mossad like CIA and MI6 and even FSB. But I believe it was originally a Mossad Op.  Maxwell's father had deep intel ties and she was around spooks her whole life.  Grew up with them.)

I believe that is the most important thing that the files must hide.  I believe that is the national security issue.  And since everyone eventually shopped there, NOBODY wants this stuff out.  Not Mossad especially, but neither clients like CIA, MI6, FSB.

Release ALL the files.  Any intel org that was buying and selling minors to collect extortion needs to be burnt to the ground.  CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6, FSB, I don't care.  I wouldn't hesitate to light the match.

Congressman Maxwell Frost, after reviewing files, said:

"This government is lying to us about the Epstein files..."

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

He is probably refering to:

"The 2008 Deal: The original non-prosecution agreement, which critics and victims labeled the "deal of the century," was signed and finalized under then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta and Palm Beach state prosecutors during the Bush administration. It shielded Epstein and his co-conspirators from extensive federal charges, resulting in a lenient sentence for soliciting a minor for prostitution."

But to me this is NOT a Dem vs GOP thing.  Obviously Mossad would want dirt on both parties.  They want leverage on WHOEVER is in power at a critical moment.  They are not interested in our culture wars.  We are merely a tool for them.  An asset.

Look.  I believe this started as a Mossad Honey-Pot operation to get extortion material on influential politicians and businessmen.  Leverage they could use when needed to serve Israel's needs.  (I think it later became a broader intel brokerage for friends of Mossad like CIA and MI6 and even FSB. But I believe it was originally a Mossad Op.  Maxwell's father had deep intel ties and she was around spooks her whole life.  Grew up with them.)

I believe that is the most important thing that the files must hide.  I believe that is the national security issue.  And since everyone eventually shopped there, NOBODY wants this stuff out.  Not Mossad especially, but neither clients like CIA, MI6, FSB.

Release ALL the files.  Any intel org that was buying and selling minors to collect extortion needs to be burn to the ground.  CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6, FSB, I don't care.  I wouldn't hesitate to light the match.

Again, I have always wanted them all exposed, tried, and severely punished. ALL. I don't care who it involves. I'm on board for capital punishment for pedophiles, and always have been.

I remain extremely skeptical of the "it's the joooos" theories. Sorry, it's just ludicrous. Just because his last name was "Epstein" doesn't make it Mossad. In fact, the Mossad is better/smarter than that, and they'd never have used him for that reason. The Mossad has not been the most successful intelligence organization by using careless arrogant fools.

Are there people from both "parties" (mostly we have a uniparty, another subject entirely) involved? Absolutely.

And that is EXACTLY why I refuse to make this any more about the Trump administration than any administration before it. Because IT ISN'T. Apparently, since no one, in at least 12 years, could make it stick to Trump, he's likely the LEAST involved person in politics, and there is nothing mentioned anywhere that anyone has found about Trump, other than he cooperated fully, and there are no accusations against him substantiated by evidence or corroborating statements, and in fact, he's listed as a complaintant, because he turned Epstein in and had him banned from his property.