Idiocracy again..

[CptTrips]

You're holding onto that really tight, despite me ignoring it for the reason I didn't make that assertion.

I cannot defend a point I didn't make or your misunderstanding of something I typed.

Perhaps I did.  Now is the time to clear this up.

We can both agree that wanting the full Epstein files released unredacted except for the names of minors is not a sign of TDS, but a sign of wanting full accountability finally and to remove the ability of rich and powerful people like Les Wexner from having their names redacted or evidence destroyed.

It is the law.  It is what should be done.  The guilty should not be protected because they are rich or powerful.

If anything thing it must be what the core of drain the swamp means.  There is no more vile corner of the swamp than the rich and powerful who think they can abuse children and buy their way out of accountability.  And people trying to protect them should be ashamed.

If that is your stance as well, then I apologize for my misunderstanding.

I'll admit my own failing.  A year ago I would have assume the info on Gates would be baloney.  Now I want it all laid out.

Any attempt to redact things for "national security" reasons need to be deeply suspect and verified by others.  It would be tempting to use that blanket to shield "friends".




BTW, Massie or MTG could reveal names on the floor even if redacted for national security reasons without legal risk due to the Speech and Debate Clause.

If AIPAC doesn't Charlie Kirk them before their last day, I'm hoping they will.

Massie already exposed Wexner.  He needs to burn it all down.

[LCADolby]

If that is your stance as well, then I apologize for my misunderstanding.

Accepted, because yes it is; The guilty should not be protected because they are rich or powerful.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I think it goes way beyond Trump.

He is just the latest to try and stop the full release.



I hope that Massie and MTG use the Speech and Debate Clause to read-out the top one hundred names in the files, their context, the file id, and page number as reference.

They can't be touched and that must be written into the Congressional record.

That would end their career in the GOP, but I think AIPAC is going to assure that anyway.

Light the match on the way out.

He has teased that before:

Green quit. She's gone. Replaced. No longer in congress. Considering fleeing the country. She already ended her career. And she accomplished what?


Massie could have done it. Swore he would. Didn't do it. Massie is done as well. And he accomplished what? If it is so important to him, why has he not done it?

Dying on a hill you cannot hope to take, when there are many battles that can be won, that might even get you to a point where you CAN take that hill, is a fool's errand, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".

It's a shame, too, Massie could have done so much more. Now he's just trying to take a dump in the punch bowl for spite.


I think Trump has figured out, the files won't be released, there's too much obstruction, too powerful, in place. He's moved on. His argument regarding the files is that they are just being used as a distraction for political purposes, and no one really cares about punishing the guilty, or helping the victims. He's not against the release, he's against the distraction. This is simply "russiagate" all over again. They know he wasn't involved. They just want to tie up another Trump term, like they did the first time. Trump sees that. So does anyone else with their eyes open.

As far as DC goes, Trump is correct. No one there really cares. Not 10% of congress, meaning less than 55 people, care. In fact, Massie has been in congress fourteen years. Why now? Seriously. Why is it a big deal in 2025-2026? Why not 2012-2024?

Yes, let's clear this up. Sure, millions would love to see it all out. I'm one of them. Like the other crimes, like the corruption, like the other hidden sex scandals we pay to be settled, like the illegal immigration, like the importing of sworn enemies as immigrants, like the plandemic, I quite literally want to see people swing from the gallows. for their crimes against children, the nation, and humanity. Pretty sure there is no one on this board who doesn't want the files released and the guilty punished, stop claiming they don't.


Epstein was caught, the first time, at least in a major way where state and federal felony prosecution was probable, twenty years ago, in 2006. Suddenly, 19 years later, after the end of the Bush term, TWO Obama/Biden terms, a Trump term (where NOTHING was said, because "russia, russia, russia"), and a Biden Harris term, now it's a huge issue, that is all Trump's fault for not getting it resolved. And suddenly, when nothing else they tried sticks, they claim Trump is involved. Because Trump said he's release the files? Seriously? What president has delivered on 20% of what he promised? But this promise is somehow a bigger deal? They released what 12 million pages?

Make it make sense. Why is it Trump you want to call "pedophile protector", screaming at the top of your lungs? Why not Bush? Why not Obama? Why not Biden? Why not Harris?

One reason. You hate Trump more than you hated any of them, and you're willing to go to any lengths, no matter how ludicrous, no matter how invalid, to disrupt his administration.


A full and complete release of all files, with only minors redacted, is a great thing. No doubt.

Making it a Trump only issue, when there have been five years of Trump as president, and fourteen years of other presidents, is TDS. Period. Especially when his administration released 12 million pages, and no one else released any.


Oh, the redactions are an FBI act. To be perfectly clear, both Wray and Comey are sworn mortal enemies of Trump, and they ran the FBI. Wray was only replaced in 2025. With Patel at the FBI, burn bags have been found and released. So, why aren't Comey, Wray, and others "pedohpile protectors"? Why not Merrick Garland?

[CptTrips]

A full and complete release of all files, with only minors redacted, is a great thing.

I ignored the rest.  This is the only valid statement.  In this we are in agreement.

Massie is there until Jan.  He'll be on the floor for 6 more months.



BTW, wanting the Epstein files released isn't TDS anymore than criticizing Black Panthers means you are racist, or criticizing the nation\intel\military of Israel makes you antisemitic. 

Those are smooth-brain tropes to try and avoid accountability.

[Eviscerate]

Theyve been attacking the guy every day since he walked down elevator.

How does one walk down an elevator?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I ignored the rest.  This is the only valid statement.  In this we are in agreement.

Massie is there until Jan.  He'll be on the floor for 6 more months.



BTW, wanting the Epstein files released isn't TDS anymore than criticizing Black Panthers means you are racist, or criticizing the nation\intel\military of Israel makes you antisemitic. 

Those are smooth-brain tropes to try and avoid accountability.

 

You ignored the rest because you have no valid reply for it.

If Massie was going to do something, he would have.

Making it an issue in 2025-2026 and not in 2007-2024 is pretty much TDS.

Admit that you never made an issue of this with any other administration, when three other administrations had three times as much time combined to do something.

I have no accountability in this to avoid. None. I have never called for anything other than a complete release of the files, and severe punishment for the guilty, regardless of status, party affiliation, or any other factor. Never. Not once. And I have been consistent about it regardless of who is/was in office. I have zero control over the files. No one I could have voted for could have, or would have done any better with it. No one else anyone got elected has done as much.

[CptTrips]

Admit that you never made an issue of this with any other administration, when three other administrations had three times as much time combined to do something.

Boy you have a learning disability.  I wasn't aware of the full extent of this until parts had been recently released.  Now I want it ALL released.  There is obviously dirt here.  Maxwell was convicted of Sex trafficking ... to no one?

If anyone past or present has been involved in covering this up I think they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  I'm willing to follow these files back to day one and prosecute everyone.  Why aren't you?

I believe several of the administrations didn't want it released because there were politicians on both sides in the files.  Mutually assured destruction.

I believe the admins didn't want Israel to take the heat they will if it turns out the behind the origins of this.  They still viewed them as an ally.  My guess is after this is found out, it will be hard to vote for those billions every year to send them.


Just release all the unredacted files and we'll see what is what.  Why are you arguing so hard to protect pedos?  Kinda gross.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Boy you have a learning disability.  I wasn't aware of the full extent of this until parts had been recently released.  Now I want it ALL released.  There is obviously dirt here.  Maxwell was convicted of Sex trafficking ... to no one?

If anyone past or present has been involved in covering this up I think they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  I'm willing to follow these files back to day one and prosecute everyone.  Why aren't you?

I believe several of the administrations didn't want it released because there were politicians on both sides in the files.  Mutually assured destruction.

I believe the admins didn't want Israel to take the heat they will if it turns out the behind the origins of this.  They still viewed them as an ally.  My guess is after this is found out, it will be hard to vote for those billions every year to send them.


Just release all the unredacted files and we'll see what is what.  Why are you arguing so hard to protect pedos?  Kinda gross.

Where? Name one place. Go ahead. Where have I said the files should not be released? Since it became public again seven years ago, I have called for the files to be released and the guilty severely punished. At no time has my position changed. I have been openly in favor of hanging pedophiles in public for about 50 years now. And if you didn't know about Epstein YEARS ago, that's YOUR IGNORANCE, not mine. He was arrested the 2nd time in 2019, on the same type of charges as in 2006. It was pretty public. And he'd already made all sorts of claims he never provided evidence for. He was dead 6 weeks later. And stayed in the news ever since. "Epstein's like these Christmas lights, he's not gonna hang himself" was an unavoidable meme. That news includes the knowledge of his activities with the "rich, powerful, and famous", dating back to interviews he gave 14 years ago, making claims, and providing no evidence. So, for SEVEN YEARS this has gone on. But it's only an issue for you now. And you claim others have a learning disability? Seriously?

I only said that there are people fully embedded in multiple government agencies, who are never purged by incoming administrations, who not only redacted the files, but put many of them in "burn bags", and blocked their release. The DoJ, the CIA, the NSA, and various courts. I said it was not a "Trump" specific issue, which YOU make it out to be, and I said there's no evidence of the Mossad being involved, where you claim it is. Israel has been getting massive support from the U.S. for 60+ years, long before Epstein or Maxwell were out of diapers. Why, when they have been getting the aid they ask for, would they run an operation to endanger that?


I look at all of this from a common sense, logic, and evidence based view.

[-gg-]

Isn't this MMA fight on the same hallowed ground Biden held Topless Trannies?

 

[CptTrips]

Since it became public again seven years ago, I have called for the files to be released and the guilty severely punished. At no time has my position changed.

Well, that's just TDS.

[DmonSlyr]

Again, when Q posted more info about Epstein than anyone else in 2018 Yall shrugged it off and called it a conspiracy theory. In 2012, when Alex Jones was calling it out, yall called it a conspiricy theory. When Wikileaks posted damning emails proving pizzagate with Hillary the dems and all the sex cults that were uncovered, yall shrugged it off and didnt call for any arrests. There is far more damning stuff that came out from that. Trump and the military have worked greatly to expose this establishment racket. A racket thats been going on since 1960, so the whole "muh pedo protector" is a complete projection by the left in their next attempt to blame trump for 80 years of government establishment corruption selling out the American people. Its laughable coming from the LGBTQLMNOP community. The crazy thing is, the Clinton's are the ones who established the Amber Alert system. And trump doesnt have any pictures with Rachel Chandler on Espteins plane like Bill Clinton does.

The only reason dems care is because they think this will "get trump" finally. But they continue to fail and it always comes back on them and their corruption. Ask all the billions Trump had made suing the news media for propaganda and all the prosecutors going after Trump now fighting their own legal battles of corruption.
They are not the side of righteousness.

[CptTrips]

Again, when Q posted more info about Epstein than anyone else in 2018 Yall shrugged it off and called it a conspiracy theory. In 2012, when Alex Jones was calling it out, yall called it a conspiricy theory. When Wikileaks posted damning emails proving pizzagate with Hillary the dems and all the sex cults that were uncovered, yall shrugged it off and didnt call for any arrests. There is far more damning stuff that came out from that. Trump and the military have worked greatly to expose this establishment racket. A racket thats been going on since 1960, so the whole "muh pedo protector" is a complete projection by the left in their next attempt to blame trump for 80 years of government establishment corruption selling out the American people. Its laughable coming from the LGBTQLMNOP community. The crazy thing is, the Clinton's are the ones who established the Amber Alert system. And trump doesnt have any pictures with Rachel Chandler on Espteins plane like Bill Clinton does.

The only reason dems care is because they think this will "get trump" finally. But they continue to fail and it always comes back on them and their corruption. Ask all the billions Trump had made suing the news media for propaganda and all the prosecutors going after Trump now fighting their own legal battles of corruption.
They are not the side of righteousness.

So all the files should be released immediately, unredacted except for the names of minors, right?


It's amazing how hard it is to get certain people to just say that.  They are so afraid there is something in there that will hurt their "team".

That is how they've gotten away with it for so long.

[DmonSlyr]

So all the files should be released immediately, unredacted except for the names of minors, right?


It's amazing how hard it is to get certain people to just say that.  They are so afraid there is something in there that will hurt their "team".

Id rather just see major arrests. Reading all that sick crap isnt good. All the private settlement in congress should be released too. Along with all the secret space budgets and anti gravity tech they have.

But lile Virgil said, its not legal for trump to release this stuff, it's up to the DOJ to arrest and congress to vote on files to release. Trumps presidency exposed epstein and has done more than any other president to go after these people. 

[CptTrips]

Id rather just see major arrests.

But you won't without exposure.
They know all the people in power and control.
They will pay the right people or offer the right bribe.
They can operate in the shadows.  Sunlight will destroy them.

Release the files.
All of them.
Now.

That will shock and horrify the public and they will demand accountability.

Leave it to the Good-ole-Boy network and half those files will disappear when no one is looking like Wexner had his name redacted.

[CptTrips]

it's up to the DOJ to arrest and congress to vote on files to release.

Congress has already voted.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4405


Does it seem strange to you that Maxwell was transferred to a min security Club Fed?

"What made the Maxwell case controversial is that she was convicted of sex-trafficking offenses, and Bureau of Prisons policies have historically made many sex offenders ineligible for minimum-security camps without special approval or waivers. Several lawmakers have publicly argued that Maxwell would not ordinarily have qualified for a minimum-security camp under standard policy."

Maybe someone gave a waiver.  Maybe the right people got paid off or threatened.