How does no 30mm connect here?

[DmonSlyr]

I've watched it a few times but from my perspective over 5-8 30s were expensed here and not one of them hit from that close? I cannot figure this out. 

[Shane]

I've watched it a few times but from my perspective over 5-8 30s were expensed here and not one of them hit from that close? I cannot figure this out. 

tl;dr - you fired late and less ammo used than you thought.

Just as with real guns, the shells go exactly where you were aiming, not where you think you were aiming. 

From what I can see, you kind of fired late.  And only 1x30mm went out while about 9x 12mm did based on the film display. You tagged him 2x -  right wingtip and left elevator (12mm most likely.)   I cannot discern how many, if any G's you were under - film doesn't display that.

[DmonSlyr]

tl;dr - you fired late and less ammo used than you thought.

Just as with real guns, the shells go exactly where you were aiming, not where you think you were aiming. 

From what I can see, you kind of fired late.  And only 1x30mm went out while about 9x 12mm did based on the film display. You tagged him 2x -  right wingtip and left elevator (12mm most likely.)   I cannot discern how many, if any G's you were under - film doesn't display that.

Too me, it seems like 1 30 had to have connected on his wing close to the cockpit as I did shoot late, but then adjusted the nose, however I had to lead so my front end didn't see the shot. Too me it looked like a 30 hit his wing and tail without any damage since my front end didn't see it but being that close I really cannot believe no damage at all and no damage from a 30 if it did infact hit.

[Shane]

Too me, it seems like 1 30 had to have connected on his wing close to the cockpit as I did shoot late, but then adjusted the nose, however I had to lead so my front end didn't see the shot. Too me it looked like a 30 hit his wing and tail without any damage since my front end didn't see it but being that close I really cannot believe no damage at all and no damage from a 30 if it did infact hit.

Based on this assumption, you missed with the 30mm:  the 30mm tracer is a spiral pattern while the 12.7mm are straight lines. You only fired off 1x 30mm shell.

Let's follow that spiral tracer path of the 1x 30mm that went out of your hub. In the 3rd image the 30mm is the tracer that's still above the niki (you can see the fuzzy spiral.) The 4th image shows the 12.7mm hitting the wings as the 30mm spiral misses and passes by. The last 12.7mm hit the elevator.

[Dadtallica]

Nice work Shane.

I often wonder how I miss with a 30 mm and then I remember how much heavier they are.

[DmonSlyr]

There had to have been more than 1 30 shot. Do you know how hard it is to only shoot 1 single 30 in a shooting encounter. It would seem a 30 would have had to of hit between the wing shots and then the tail shots as my nose was directly lined up on his plane. At minimum 2-4 30s were expensed.

[Shane]

There had to have been more than 1 30 shot. Do you know how hard it is to only shoot 1 single 30 in a shooting encounter. It would seem a 30 would have had to of hit between the wing shots and then the tail shots as my nose was directly lined up on his plane. At minimum 2-4 30s were expensed.

This is what I based the "only 1x 30mm fired" - you can go back and review your film and watch your ammo counter to see if it's the same result. (My own films show ammo counts decreasing as I fire - I think you fired short burst and clipped the film, so it froze with that count on the 2nd screenshot. These two pix are straight up grabs from film viewer, no editing. First time I ever noticed that double ammo count being displayed on a film.)

Beginning of your film.


End of your film.

[DmonSlyr]

This is what I based the "only 1x 30mm fired" - you can go back and review your film and watch your ammo counter to see if it's the same result. (My own films show ammo counts decreasing as I fire - I think you fired short burst and clipped the film, so it froze with that count on the 2nd screenshot. These two pix are straight up grabs from film viewer, no editing. First time I ever noticed that double ammo count being displayed on a film.)

Beginning of your film.


End of your film.

Ill have to double check that because I didnt think the film viewer registered bullet counts. I had turned the film on after shooting some bombers.. i feel it would have had to have been atleast 2.., I tried to analyze further and "maybe" the second 30 shot between the wing and tail on the left side, then the 50s connected on the tail?.. sigh.

I want my G10 with the 20mm back 

[Shane]

I want my G10 with the 20mm back 

I fake cried when they took the gondies from the 109f4. 

[icepac]

You can work with the .target command to get your vertical convergence to have all guns hitting the same "height".

[icepac]

Has anybody compared the MK103 30mm of the ME410 to the MK108s?   

[Lusche]

Has anybody compared the MK103 30mm of the ME410 to the MK108s?   

This is kinda difficult to do, as you can't fire the MK 103 without the MG 151/20.
I did the old rtkh (rounds to kill hangar) test once, and I found the Mk 103 rounds having like 10% higher damage only, so essentially about the same - the 10% could also be a result of rounding and computing errors, I did only a few tests, so do not take this as gospel.
I have not made any time of flight / trajectory tests yet (again, the MG 151/20 messes things up here)

[icepac]

So that means joules of energy from the higher velocity are being applied since the MK103 has the same amount of explosive in the shell as the MK108.