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Offline Eagler

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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2026, 06:02:19 AM »
When AI has everyone's thermostat at 84 to insure it has the power it needs I don't think it's abilities to redecorate ones living room will matter so much...

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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2026, 06:42:12 AM »
Some people will still be praising ai while the robots are crushing their neck
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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2026, 07:02:04 AM »
LoL.

Xi loves you guys.
He should give you the Peoples Order of the Useful Idiot award.  ;)

You might as well ask if a nuclear bomb can make the world a better place.
It can make it a lot worse of a place if you don't have one and your enemies do.

Software that would be too complex for us to write can be written.
Engineering, math, and science problems too complex for us hairless monkeys to work out can be solved.
AI is making huge strides on medical research.  It can unfold proteins at a pace we could never match opening up new horizons for future treatments.


It's like some knuckle-dragging hominid asks if a printing press will make the world a better place.
Shrug.  It will print the Guttenberg Bible and Mien Kamp.  It will be used for good and evil.
But it will be transformative.  Anyone who doesn't understand that is a uninformed, or willfully ignorant.


AI is an intellectual lever.  It allows us hairless monkey to perform intellectual work beyond what we could do unaided the way a lever can help you move a rock too large for you to ever lift.

Your skepticism is unimportant.  It's going to happen.  And FAST.


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Yes—but with an important distinction.

There is **credible evidence that PRC-linked influence operations have attempted to amplify certain anti-AI narratives in the United States**, but there is **not good evidence that China is broadly trying to convince the world that AI itself is bad.** In fact, China's official policy is overwhelmingly **pro-AI development**.

Here's how the evidence breaks down:

### What is well supported

In June 2026, OpenAI published an investigation into two influence campaigns it attributed to actors likely originating in China. According to the report:

* One campaign ("**Data Center Bandwagon**") generated social media posts and images claiming AI data centers would raise electricity prices and harm local communities.
* Another ("**Tech and Tariffs**") criticized U.S. technology policy and tariffs while avoiding criticism of Chinese leadership and spreading false claims about ChatGPT. ([OpenAI][1])

OpenAI's investigators concluded these campaigns were attempting to:

* exploit existing American debates,
* amplify opposition to AI infrastructure,
* and test influence techniques related to U.S. technological competitiveness.

However, OpenAI also said something equally important:

> They found **no evidence that these campaigns achieved meaningful reach beyond their own networks.** ([OpenAI][1])

So there is evidence of **attempted influence**, but not evidence that it substantially changed public opinion.

### China's official position is the opposite

China is investing enormous resources into becoming an AI superpower.

Official policy includes:

* massive investment in frontier AI,
* support for domestic AI companies,
* promotion of AI exports,
* international AI cooperation initiatives,
* public messaging that AI is essential for economic development and national competitiveness. ([AP News][2])

The Chinese government is also actively regulating AI—but primarily to:

* control misinformation,
* censor politically sensitive content,
* prevent fraud and deepfakes,
* maintain social stability. ([State Council of China][3])

That is very different from discouraging AI adoption.

### Why would they amplify anti-AI narratives abroad?

From a strategic perspective, if a rival nation slows construction of:

* AI data centers,
* semiconductor facilities,
* power infrastructure,

while China continues building its own, that could benefit China's competitive position.

The narratives OpenAI identified focused on issues such as:

* electricity prices,
* water consumption,
* neighborhood impacts,
* opposition to data center construction.

Those are genuine concerns already debated in the U.S.; the reported influence activity attempted to amplify them rather than invent entirely new issues. ([OpenAI][1])

### Bottom line

The strongest evidence currently supports this conclusion:

* **Yes:** There is credible evidence that PRC-linked actors have attempted to amplify anti–AI infrastructure sentiment in the U.S., particularly around data centers and energy costs. ([OpenAI][1])
* **No:** There is no strong evidence that China is broadly promoting anti-AI sentiment as a national strategy. Its own government is aggressively pursuing AI leadership and generally presents AI as a strategic priority. ([AP News][2])

So the available evidence points to a **selective geopolitical influence effort** aimed at slowing or complicating a competitor's AI buildout—not a campaign against AI technology itself.

[1]: https://openai.com/index/prc-linked-influence-operations-ai-debates/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "PRC-linked influence operations are targeting AI debates in the US | OpenAI"
[2]: https://apnews.com/article/df4cfc7e1b260e765b5449b6d71a48e5?utm_source=chatgpt.com "China's Xi calls for more global efforts to guide AI, chides US for its curbs on tech sharing"
[3]: https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202605/01/content_WS69f41570c6d00ca5f9a0abfe.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com "China launches campaign to rectify improper AI content production"

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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2026, 07:46:40 AM »
It's been said many times before but I'm not sure everyone understands. AI sufficiently advanced has the potential to unlock and access everything there is a possible connection to. Ultimate control and potential world domination. This isn't just about replacing expensive human labor. Why do you think there is a damn the torpedoes full speed ahead AI race?
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2026, 07:59:30 AM »
Are you implying that AI can have the potential to unlock the potential of immortality and youthful living with no disease?

Also, do you think AI can unlock the secrets of telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, cryokinetic, levitation, and to understand women?

 
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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2026, 08:17:54 AM »
Are you implying that AI can have the potential to unlock the potential of immortality and youthful living with no disease?

Also, do you think AI can unlock the secrets of telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, cryokinetic, levitation, and to understand women?

It could access your bank account and control your military.
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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2026, 10:58:42 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2026, 01:24:06 PM »
It's been said many times before but I'm not sure everyone understands. AI sufficiently advanced has the potential to unlock and access everything there is a possible connection to. Ultimate control and potential world domination. This isn't just about replacing expensive human labor. Why do you think there is a damn the torpedoes full speed ahead AI race?

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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2026, 01:31:20 PM »
What if you're not online?

Offline is probably safer. You aren't. Do you know anyone who is?
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2026, 02:37:20 PM »
Offline is probably safer. You aren't. Do you know anyone who is?

Starlink is just the first.  They sky will be blanketed with low orbit satellites. 
No one will ever be offline. Even your car will not work offline.
Even the homeless will be chipped for herd tracking as a condition for their food and services.
The network will be everything and everything will be in the network.

Just kidding.  :devil
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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2026, 02:53:22 PM »
CptTrips without nuclear power do you think we can be as advanced with AI as others that power their AI with it..

I don't think it will happen in the US so China is going to lead the world as they don't have the political process most of the rest of the civilized world does..

Latest poll show 63% don't want data centers in the US up from 40% last Dec..

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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2026, 03:26:16 PM »
Latest poll show 63% don't want data centers in the US up from 40% last Dec..

Some of that is Chinese hysteria psyops. 
A lot is people who have lost their jobs to AI or see the writing on the wall.  I get it.  I understand why they feel that way.

But IMHO this is of existential nation importance.
This is Manhattan Project time.
There is no second place in the AI race, just slavery.

I'd take all that gov land in the southwest and start building vast datacenter facilities with on-site nuclear stations for unlimited power.  Corporations could lease compute from the government.  Data is easiest to pipe in and out.  And since it is on gov land, we'll just protect everything with military force.  Protesters get gut shot and left for the yotes.


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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2026, 03:45:51 PM »
At some point very soon, human ability to solve or even understand what an AI is doing or has done will be over.  That is the intent of AI.  That is outthink a human or humans.  Why build one if that was not the case?

Not saying AI is world ending but it is a world changer and not all good.


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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2026, 04:42:41 PM »
A sufficiently advanced AI provided the necessary physical interface should be able to do anything a human can do. An important question is will it want to.
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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2026, 05:59:11 PM »
Probably just more Chinese psyops... :rolleyes:

Scale and Speed of Construction
China is experiencing a massive nuclear buildout, approving roughly 10 to 11 new reactors annually in recent years.
Investment: Recent batches of approvals include projects costing upwards of ¥200 billion (approximately $27.4 billion).
Timeline: While nuclear projects in the West frequently take 10 to 15 years to complete, China builds plants in just 5 to 8 years.
Cost: Chinese nuclear builds cost around $2 per watt, which is approximately half of what Western countries like France typically pay.

I don't think we have a chance If that is accurate..

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