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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2026, 08:31:52 PM »
If AI can get all the terrible drivers off the road it will get my vote.


Where is the profit? Who does it serve?

And the "self learning" AI cars that are supposed to be self driving have been a disaster so far. They shut down several city blocks more than once, and commonly shut down streets in Nashville. Of course, half the drivers in Nashville are morons who should not have a driver's license or a motor vehicle, but still, AI self driving stuff is no better.
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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2026, 12:12:08 AM »
The drivers here are texting when they aren't running red lights. I was thinking of getting another motorcycle but it's too risky. Reports I've read are that self-driving cars are far safer based on accident stats.
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« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2026, 07:25:02 AM »
Seems the accident stats do vary with fully autonomous cars being safer than those that must be monitored like Tesla.
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« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2026, 07:46:45 AM »
Seems the accident stats do vary with fully autonomous cars being safer than those that must be monitored like Tesla.

I wouldn't trust my family to an autonomous car in the city.  Not yet.

But I definitely could see AI long haul trucking.
The a transfer hub just outside the major cities where the loads are hooked up by human drivers for the last mile delivery in-town.

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« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2026, 11:35:49 AM »
I wouldn't trust my family to an autonomous car in the city.  Not yet.

But I definitely could see AI long haul trucking.
The a transfer hub just outside the major cities where the loads are hooked up by human drivers for the last mile delivery in-town.

The US had an efficient, widespread version of this concept throughout much of the 20th century. Railroads.

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« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2026, 11:42:51 AM »
The US had an efficient, widespread version of this concept throughout much of the 20th century. Railroads.

We do.  They pass by here all the time.

But we don't have rail everywhere we need to haul to, and laying new rail is very expensive upfront to buy land and lay.  A decade of work before you can ship a single box. 

Rail is not as fast or flexible.  That is why human long-haul trucking grew up.  To fill an need rail couldn't and use the existing road.   AI hauling would use the highways that are already there and paid for.

Rail is best for bulk hauling like coal, oil tankers ,etc that are large, heavy, and not time critical.
 

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« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2026, 05:16:16 PM »
The thing is, there used to be rail everywhere. It was all pulled up to save money
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« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2026, 07:30:10 PM »
If you have ever driven a Class 8 truck, and you know anything about the automotive industry, ADAS, etc., the idea of autonomous 80,000# vehicles will not give you good feelings.
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« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2026, 08:34:15 PM »
If you have ever driven a Class 8 truck, and you know anything about the automotive industry, ADAS, etc., the idea of autonomous 80,000# vehicles will not give you good feelings.

I'm not passing judgement on it. 

I'm just predicting what will happen.
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« Reply #69 on: July 27, 2026, 08:48:34 PM »
The thing is, there used to be rail everywhere. It was all pulled up to save money

But that happened way before AI, so rail had already proven itself economically non-viable for most loads decades ago.

Human trucking arose to fill the gap rail could not economically.  AI trucking would be the next logical step.

If rail could have been profitable, they never would have started trucking.  Human trucking arose to serve the need rail could not at a profit.

Can you imagine how hard it would be to lay a mile of track nowadays?  How many years of Immanent Domain court battles would you have to fight for every mile.

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« Reply #70 on: July 27, 2026, 10:19:20 PM »
Can you imagine how hard it would be to lay a mile of track nowadays?

My dad, AKBmzawy, is a retired locomotive engineer with BNSF.  He once told me over 30 years ago that a mile of track costs around a million dollars.  Today's money I'll let someone who knows that figure be posted later.  I could guess at least 2 million or more.

Track is constantly being replaced.  Have you ever seen the track train cars? It makes flatbed truck trailers look puny in comparison.  Track goes through intense weather abuse all year long.  Not just the track, the wooden ties, the fasteners, the ballast, and switches all get wear and tear.  Construction crews work year-round on that.

The railroads have pulled up tens of thousands of miles of track over the past several decades.  Mostly due to changes in the industry.  Rail was the initial method of transportation from factory to distribution centers.  Once the Eisenhower Interstate System became the dominant means of travel for people through automobiles, trucking became faster and convenient for short haul deliveries.  Rail was left for long distance and mass bulk for cheaper rates.

That's a simplified explanation.  Throw in 25 or more reasons for an intricate look.

How many years of Immanent Domain court battles would you have to fight for every mile.

That won't happen.  The only reason to expand more track destination from a profitable future gain.  There would have to be a breakthrough in technology and manufacturing.  The diesel electric engines would need a higher form of energy capability to run the trains at a cheaper cost.  Also, there would need to be a new form of allow that is way cheaper than steel and stronger and more weather durable to replace the track.

Most single track between destinations or rail yards in the country do have enough railroad property to place a second track beside the first track.  The rail roads did think ahead in most regions in the Midwest and the West.


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« Reply #71 on: July 28, 2026, 07:02:54 AM »
AI trucking is about nothing but greed..

Just like filling then with illegal immigrants like we have done now..



My 87 year old retired seabee father in law drove semis in the late 70's into the mid 90's..

He used to make runs that are outlawed now by driving restrictions..

When the drivers complained they were replaced..

That replacement is just automation this time..

Not safer or faster just more profitable for the owners..

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« Reply #72 on: July 28, 2026, 07:03:57 AM »

Also, there would need to be a new form of allow that is way cheaper than steel and stronger and more weather durable to replace the track.


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« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2026, 07:17:09 AM »
AI trucking is about nothing but greed..

That is called capitalism, dude.

Did you think trucking was a non-profit charity?

Capitalism is always seeking the most efficient and least costly means of production and distribution.

That is a feature, not a bug.  It is what capitalism is supposed to do.


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Re: AI vs AI
« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2026, 07:21:36 AM »
That is called capitalism, dude.

Did you think trucking was a non-profit charity?

Capitalism is always seeking the most efficient and least costly means of production and distribution.

That is a feature, not a bug.  It is what capitalism is supposed to do.

But they never sell it as such do they..

If they are willing to put non citizens that cannot read or speak English to make another buck I don't trust their decisions going forward..

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