Skipped a couple pages without reading so I’ll assume we are still talking about 190s.
The A8 is the king of the 190s and I will not be accepting any opinions, facts, or statistics that show otherwise. 
Until the AWACS radar killed it, it was.
It can't run, climb and you need to land it to turn it, but if something get in front of it, its confetti time, unless its a Yak3 - of course.