Oh, well. It’s been a fun ~15 years.

[-gg-]

The forum died because of the moderation. Thousands jumped ship to come to my forum and they referred to this  place as North Korea.

They banned so many people. lol.

Flamewarriors didn't have a game behind it - just people who play/played AH - and they went in DROVES and it was 100 percent because of the mods here.

Those people didn't suddenly stop coming to forums - they went to my forum and it stayed twice as active as the best days on AH forums.

The moderation is why I created Flamewarriors. It's the sole reason why FW was able to exist.

Dale had an account there even.

I'd say FW took up the slack and left this place what it is. And that's hardly an exaggeration.

[Animl-AW]

The decline occurred during the 80 housing bubble recession.
Numbers follow numbers, up or down. They see players come they join them, they see numbers drop they join them. Humans are like sheep.

The stars were just not aligning. Very little was about the game or mids.

I was here I watched it.

Since then, prior to s recovery, modern graphics were born. Ither games had investors to pay to implement them.

We hit a tsunami of bad lick at just the wrong time.

That said, Mods and Rules were the same in Air Warrior, I know I was a GA/Tech/Mod.
Point being these thing actually carried iver from AW to AH by much if the same people from AW.

Anyone from AW should maybe stop acting like it’s new, none of it is.

The AH automated system on text buffer (I.E. 200) is really the only thing new since AW.

[fudgums]

. nvm

[hazmatt]

. nvm

I saw what you wrote there before you edited it! lolz

[AKIron]

The game's peak numbers were at the end of '07 into '08 and have been declining ever since. I highly doubt forum moderation was the driving factor in population decline. Correlation does not imply causation.

Nor do I believe it was or suggesting it was. I was saying the need is not the same now as then.

[AKIron]

I'm not advocating for change. Just making an observation. I can and do talk politics all I want in other places. There are still some old acquaintances that hang around here and I like to stay in touch.

[Spikes]

Nor do I believe it was or suggesting it was. I was saying the need is not the same now as then.

My bad, forgot to quote - that wasn't directed at you.

The forum died because of the moderation. Thousands jumped ship to come to my forum and they referred to this  place as North Korea.

They banned so many people. lol.

Flamewarriors didn't have a game behind it - just people who play/played AH - and they went in DROVES and it was 100 percent because of the mods here.

Those people didn't suddenly stop coming to forums - they went to my forum and it stayed twice as active as the best days on AH forums.

The moderation is why I created Flamewarriors. It's the sole reason why FW was able to exist.

Dale had an account there even.

I'd say FW took up the slack and left this place what it is. And that's hardly an exaggeration.

Nice. Forum popularity is mostly a bygone era anyway with subreddits and Discord taking over much of the social aspect of games.

[-gg-]

Forums are superior for ongoing discussions. I personally don't like discord for conversations because the are horrible at ongoing discussions. It's good for fast stuff, voice comms, and some stuff but it's not laid out like a forum for keeping ingoing discussions going and easily referenced.

[fudgums]

I saw what you wrote there before you edited it! lolz

 

[fudgums]

Forums are superior for ongoing discussions. I personally don't like discord for conversations because the are horrible at ongoing discussions. It's good for fast stuff, voice comms, and some stuff but it's not laid out like a forum for keeping ingoing discussions going and easily referenced.

Forums been long dead.

[-gg-]

Forums are not dead. lol.

Back to my point about catering to cry babies. I made a comment here before that the only people I'd moderate or ban would be the people who report everyone and everything. Those kinds of people should never be allowed on the internet.

[LCADolby]

The game's peak numbers were at the end of '07 into '08 and have been declining ever since. I highly doubt forum moderation was the driving factor in population decline. Correlation does not imply causation.

It was the Arena Split 

[Lusche]

It was the Arena Split 

Arena Split was in 2006, peak was about two years later, numbers really started to drop notably in 2010 

[molybdenum]

Ya, it seems everyone is overly sensitive these days. Mods were the final straw for me too.

I've never had a warning from a mod in all the years of playing Airwarrior, IL2, WW2 online, DCS or Warthunder.

There's lots of great options out there:
If you want something a little more realistic I'd go with IL2, if you want something that's good combined arms but a little lacking on graphics WW2 Online is still running. If you want decent graphics and flight models, Warthunder sim battles works, if you want fast 16x16 matches that last 30 minutes there's Warthunder realistic (this one has icons like AH3) And then there's always DCS too.

Where every you end up if you see HazMatt, Ratbstrd or Yardude, it's probably me or me and my kids playing and I'd be happy to help with whatever I can.

Thanks, I appreciate the thought.
But naah.
The mod hyperbiasedness (not a word, maybe Webster's will pick it up someday), though self-centered and injuring the game "they" were entrusted to protect, is for the better. At least for me, though of course I resent it, or I would not bother to briefly check in and comment.

I am in my 60's, as, probably, are many if not most of us. We're retired (or will be soon) and still have a dozen or so years to do something that actually matters while we are physically and/or mentally capable of actually doing it.
 
Better to focus there.

Let's see if this topic gets locked; and, if so, how quickly.  Kenai was very vigilant before. 

[-gg-]

From my experience - anyone who wants to be a mod should never be allowed to be a mod.

I am the most unbiased and fair moderator in the history of internet forums, and I messed up a couple times over 20 years. but I've NEVER EVER ONCE moderated anyone based on personal feelings or to "get" someone.

I can't stand biased mods - and sometimes it's not really their fault. They are told what to do but in reality, things come down to a judgment call - and in my case, I just will not moderate something and let things be - unless it's something illegal, damaging or doxing in nature. Then you don't have to make judgment calls - and the babies who think they can cry to a moderator are naturally illuminated.

I think the only thing worse than a moderator is a person who reports things to a moderator. These people should not be allowed on the internet