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Offline caldera

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B-17s not popular in prime time?
« on: August 26, 2026, 09:01:47 PM »
I hardly ever see them during prime time hours, except maybe for strat raiders at 35k.

Am wondering why they seem to have fallen out of favor. 
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Re: B-17s not popular in prime time?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2026, 04:56:39 AM »
No time to delve deeper, so just a quick glance at the numbers  - The B-17 used to have around 25% of (k+d) of all heavy bombers (based on 3 sample tours in 2024, 2016 and 2009), last tour it had been 19%. Which would support your observation.

My made up explanation:
Since player numbers went down, the gameplay is getting less varied. More emphasis on base grabbing, less on secondary missions because you don't have the pilots to spare for that. For example back in the day, I was using minor bombers like G4M for porking bases along a section of the front. Or i was shutting down hangars at a key point. Both of it now being basically pointless with the shifted gameplay dynamics. When there are like just 8 active players on my team, I'm usually needed urgently for defending a specific base or a factory or be the one striking a key asset. Also, often more frontline bases than players.

So it's a lot about efficiency. You still need the same amount of bombs on target, but you have less players. The B-17 is better at getting to high altitude than the Liberator and Lancaster, but with lesser payload than those two. So it's better for the ultra-high strat runs, while the latter two are much better for quick low altitude strikes on towns (which they actually can whiteflag on their own).

You also don't see other planes as much any more, their numbers dropped of even when seen in relation to the population number. Hurricane I, Ki-43, Bf 110G. All, in my opinion, victims of changing gameplay, which is in fact to a huge part a result of lower numbers overall. (I once had a tour using the Hurricane I as my main ride - that would simply be impossible today)
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Re: B-17s not popular in prime time?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2026, 11:05:20 AM »
With the 1,000 pounders, the B-24s carry more, but both heavies can carry twelve 500 pounders.
IIRC, the 500 pounders are more potent (per pound) than the 1,000s, though maybe eight 1,000s beat twelve 500s.


You could fly a whole tour in the Hurri 1. :D  I haven't seen one in years.


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Re: B-17s not popular in prime time?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2026, 11:23:07 AM »
With the 1,000 pounders, the B-24s carry more, but both heavies can carry twelve 500 pounders.
IIRC, the 500 pounders are more potent (per pound) than the 1,000s, though maybe eight 1,000s beat twelve 500s.


You could fly a whole tour in the Hurri 1. :D  I haven't seen one in years.

Explosive power per pound is only part of the equation. 1k bombs have a larger blast radius, which is a major advantage when targeting areas consisting of many small, densely packed objects. So there's a reason why it's usually only Lancs and B-24 being used in quick grab attempts.

And as for the Hurricane I: technically I could still fly it today - but it's pointless. I can't catch anyone. The fights have become much faster. Keep in mind I was not using it in a kind of 'duelling mode' but for regular base defence, mostly vs CV raids. With battles the size of 20 vs 20, the fight inevitably consisted of a low crazy furball over the beach, so that the low top speed of the Hurri didn't matter that much. Today, it's like 2 or 3 Hellcats upping from the CV after silently killing town by CA, you can not creep up on their six, they are way too fast and not suffering from confusion by too many planes around.

Same with land combat. What good is a Hurricane against that single high speed plane making passes porking the field? You need crowded environments.
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Re: B-17s not popular in prime time?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2026, 02:09:44 PM »
That makes sense.   :cheers:
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Re: B-17s not popular in prime time?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2026, 08:01:21 AM »
Lusche hit the nail, the B17 just isn't the bomber of choice for white flagging anymore, it could be a good tool for porking, but that has fallen out of favor because of the numbers. 
A B24 with 4x2000 is hard pressed not to white flag a town in a single pass, able to do it with just 3.  The B-17 has to try to do it with 1,000lb and just doesn't have the blast radius to take enough of town down in a single pass.  Atleast with porking you can still take down ords, dar, and a VH with 17s.  With ords being strengthened it may take some of the light bomber sorties away as even direct hits from 500lb formations dont always take them down.