I Hope to do a release Tusday.

[Animl-AW]

Jets are the one thing I'd be careful of adding more.  To me, jets ruin the game play.

Agreed 100%

[GOODBYE]

Perk cost is already reduced for the side with less players

[Animl-AW]

I really don’t think eliminating AWACS (in flight) is geared towards vets or new players. It’s geared towards bringing balance back to the game that was lost with the advent of AWACS. “Dot dar” implies a return to the old radar where all contacts were the same (fighters/bombers) without icons or direction of flight. I’m not asking for that either. Heck, I’m not even asking that AWACS be completely eliminated (use it in the tower). I’m asking that players don’t have access to an advantage in flight that is even more detrimental to noobs than it is to vets. The “fog” that used to exist is essentially gone. A new player that may have had some luck/success sneaking up on a vet is essentially eliminated. A new player isn’t going to be making their first flights bringing up the map every 10 seconds (or flying with it open because it’s better than looking out the window) to find contacts. It’s also not going to help him that any target he finds by himself will automatically pop up a vet’s map. Right now vets are already clobbering vets simply because having more planes in the local area gives you more radar coverage and therefore wider SA than an outnumbered opponent. Which, in and of itself, causes players to seek out green darbars and avoid red ones. Some poor noob isn’t being helped along if his location is fed to every pilot in the sky. Nor is he going to feel great if he’s part of a horde and 5 vets are pouncing the same target he is because he doesn’t even understand the exploit.

What I say is I’m willing to compromise. Which is better than no change. Thats my personal opinion. I’m all about compromise to get something over nothing.

We’ve discussed this many times. I personally prefer less dar. I’m not against you.

[-gg-]

I didn't want to open up a complaint fest. I appreciate this game very much I appreciate the effort that goes into it and I appreciate the community a lot.

I know that Dale is willing to listen to things and make adjustments if he thinks they're necessary.

There's no other game like this and there won't be another game like this again.

[Brooke]

Perk cost is already reduced for the side with less players

Any other things that could be given to players on lower side?  Larger reduction in perk?  Earning more perks?

[Shane]

I'm not a complainer. I don't cry about stuff. But I want fairness and dislike unfairness.

To me it's unfair that people who pay the same amount of money for the game have to sacrifice some of their game experience for the sake of others having a better game experience. That's an uneven playing field and it's at my expense.

So, how do you feel about hording and double teaming, especially vs the lower side?   It's even less fun than eny issues being dealt with by the mob.

[popeye]

Any other things that could be given to players on lower side?  Larger reduction in perk?  Earning more perks?

Players who enable auto-switch receive bonus perks.

[Shane]

Exactly.

Pull is always better than push.

Maybe instead of reducing high side options, you reduce the perk costs to low side.

Free Me-262's for everyone on the low side is one way to balance. 

That's pretty much how it works, perk costs are tagged into eny.  Perk rides cannot overwhelm numbers when it looks like A: 15 v B:3 v C:2   262's cannot take out multiple GV's.  There's nothing that can really be done to counter this situation via coding.   It also cycles thru the sides as the day progresses, but it's worst felt when numbers are both low and lop-sided.... even side switchers can't (and many often don't help) in any meaningful way. I'd eliminate autoswitch entirely and make side switching about an hour instead of the current 6 hrs.





If anything, eny values are what need to be looked at - there seem to be some rides both plane/gv that are undervalued and some overvalued.   

[LilMak]

What I say is I’m willing to compromise. Which is better than no change. Thats my personal opinion. I’m all about compromise to get something over nothing.

We’ve discussed this many times. I personally prefer less dar. I’m not against you.

Fair. And I basically understood where you were coming from. Just wanted to put it out for others who may be confused. I think quite a few folks agree that the AWACS needs to be addressed. Several initially liked the change and have reversed their opinions. It has run players off and it’s well documented here. I want those guys back. I want some of the magic to return to the MA.

On the ENY question…
I’ve always thought ENY should trigger perk usage instead of simply making planes unavailable. You want to fly that P-51 while your side has vastly superior numbers? Cool. That’ll be 15 perks. Any perks you use should be awarded to the player who killed you and should be inversely related to the aircraft ENY. Side note: I think it would also be amusing if the perks showed up in the kill message. “Dave just killed Bob and was awarded 15 perks”

[Wiley]

I really don’t think eliminating AWACS (in flight) is geared towards vets or new players. It’s geared towards bringing balance back to the game that was lost with the advent of AWACS. “Dot dar” implies a return to the old radar where all contacts were the same (fighters/bombers) without icons or direction of flight. I’m not asking for that either. Heck, I’m not even asking that AWACS be completely eliminated (use it in the tower). I’m asking that players don’t have access to an advantage in flight that is even more detrimental to noobs than it is to vets. The “fog” that used to exist is essentially gone. A new player that may have had some luck/success sneaking up on a vet is essentially eliminated. A new player isn’t going to be making their first flights bringing up the map every 10 seconds (or flying with it open because it’s better than looking out the window) to find contacts. It’s also not going to help him that any target he finds by himself will automatically pop up a vet’s map. Right now vets are already clobbering vets simply because having more planes in the local area gives you more radar coverage and therefore wider SA than an outnumbered opponent. Which, in and of itself, causes players to seek out green darbars and avoid red ones. Some poor noob isn’t being helped along if his location is fed to every pilot in the sky. Nor is he going to feel great if he’s part of a horde and 5 vets are pouncing the same target he is because he doesn’t even understand the exploit.

I pretty much agree with this.  I think the little planes on dar are too much information in flight.  Not quite sure how I feel about prox dar going away completely in flight, I think dots would be a good compromise perhaps.  It would make intercepting slightly less easy but still viable.  Having it go away completely in flight, I am not sure about.  For a lot of people, if it's not a dot/plane visible on their map, it doesn't seem to exist.

Wiley.

[CptTrips]

On the ENY question…
I’ve always thought ENY should trigger perk usage instead of simply making planes unavailable. You want to fly that P-51 while your side has vastly superior numbers? Cool. That’ll be 15 perks.

That is an interesting thought.

[Lazerr]

I really think the radar settings need adjusted.  Like mentioned before.. maybe some enhanced radar from in the tower, but in flight... no..

The immersion, and the hunt are basically elimated.

I can see helping new folks from the tower.. but not having radar actively navigating a furball situation for them.

I'd also be for changing dar icons back into dots and not identifying between fighters and bombers.  On the friendly side of things sure, but not globally.

I'm a fighter guy primarily, and still think this is wise for the sake of guys that like to fly the big birds.

[Shane]

I'm okay with just dots, but we also no longer have 500 pairs of eyes on a map.

Removing clipboard dar entirely will just make this even game less attractive than those other sims where the main attraction is flying around *looking* for something, anything, to shoot at - they claim at least they have better eye candy to look at while doing all that searching.

If anything, add gv dot dar (it's doable) with a 30 sec-1 min delay - this would break those bush bunnies and campers.

[captain1ma]

so if i want to see where the fight is, i have to get in the tower. once in the air i have to remember where it was. and if i get bored and want to see where other fights are i have to go back in the tower and look? is that about right?

you people need to fly in the FSO. your wish is granted there. othewise, leave the radar the way it is. its not hurting anything. if people want to pig pile, well ok thats what happens. unless someone want to play ATC, leave the AWACS!!

[Wiley]

so if i want to see where the fight is, i have to get in the tower. once in the air i have to remember where it was. and if i get bored and want to see where other fights are i have to go back in the tower and look? is that about right?

Somewhere between no AWACS, dots for AWACS, with/without delay, several details.  You'd still have bardar to remind you where the fight is.

By AWACS, they mean the proximity radar where if a bandit is within 6k distance of a friendly, it shows on the map for all.  Field dar would still function.

Wiley.