ENY again

[-gg-]

The disingenuous comment by Dale has me really bummed out. I've been feeling sick all week. I've had a headache since Monday very nauseous. Just starting to feel better today and now our internet goes out at work and I have no phones or Internet.

So now I'm feeling a little bit depressed about everything.

The game is a minor thing in my life. But I'm a big supporter of the game and I have been. To say that am disingenuous about this genuinely makes me feel like crap

[Mar]

Communication has completely fallen apart in this thread. Those kinds of headaches definitely don't help. Nobody wants you to feel like crap Gina, just take a break from the forum for a while, maybe from all screens too. See what you think of HT's changes once you're feeling better.

[-gg-]

Your Top Planes for the last 5 tours (because I'm too lazy to go further)

#1 - Spit 16 - 105 kills. (5 ENY)
#2 - 190D9 - 71 kills     (10 ENY i think)
#3 - 47D-40 - 64 kills
#4 - 51D - 50 kills.        (8 ENY?)
#5 - 47M - 33 kills.        (5 ENY)

Honorable mention, most of your kills last tour was in the N1K


EDIT:  You only have records for the last 6 months, so if I include tour 316 the totals are as follows:

#1 Spit16 - 155
#2 D9 - 126
#3 51D - 93
#4 D40 - 68

I played last night. The p-47m is eny 10.

I see the new effects are in a the game. ENY for our side went up over 29. I think it was the rooks that had the next highest numbers and they had five less planes in the air and had ENY 15.

Like I said before Sundays and Mondays are squad night. So we had about 15 guys on. So we are big part of the problem for the game.

 Several people in the squad told me that it's not worth arguing about but they consider ENY to be ridiculous..

I know the new changes are in effect regarding the eny not kicking in until there are 10 players. Made zero difference.

I think the number should be up to 30 players or more


Even at the numbers that were on last night ( when enY was 29, we had a whopping 18 players on Knits, Rooks had 11 or 12 and had 15 eNY) , the map is not some gangbang. It's a big open map with maybe two big fights going on. I was fighting a giant horde because that's what I like to do. I was defending a base. And I think it was the rooks had the AKs on. They were swarming a base and that was actually a lot of fun. They had eny for a while on their side. Somehow they were in ponies though. Lol. Lots of p-51's.

But I'm going to stop talking about the issue. Obviously it's something that only concerns me and it's not any kind of a detriment to the game itself. I guess that since it's the issue with me, I need to make a change. Figure it out..

[Shane]

Like I said before Sundays and Mondays are squad night. So we had about 15 guys on. So we are big part of the problem for the game.

Several people in the squad told me that it's not worth arguing about but they consider ENY to be ridiculous..

I know the new changes are in effect regarding the eny not kicking in until there are 10 players. Made zero difference.

I think the number should be up to 30 players or more

But I'm going to stop talking about the issue. Obviously it's something that only concerns me and it's not any kind of a detriment to the game itself. I guess that since it's the issue with me, I need to make a change. Figure it out..

Cute, fair weather flyer giving very narrow lensed opinions.  Doubt many would hang around in the mornings if you had your way. Might even drive away the few opposing the knit overnight swarm.

So many giving random Ai-assisted opinions without having the proper perspective to frame "wants."   Personally, I think there exist limited coading means to change such ossified player ethos at this point.



Did you know this new eny threshold doesn't even kick in until there are at least 1 player per side, regardless of total players?

I think eny values needed revising more than the activation threshold, especially on the gv side.

[-gg-]

I'll be honest. The thing that has been weighing on me the most and making me feel like deflated is the fact that I've actually tried to make a real argument that I think would be better for the game.

But I feel pretty much almost depressed about the attitude over here. And I'm not just saying that to be a baby or anything. I actually feel like deflated in a way.

The main thing that got to me was Nshidda, who doesn't even play the game, came in this thread, when after me and not my arguments and then told me that my whole point was disingenuous. The guy doesn't play the game. And then the owner of the game comes in and quotes him and agrees with him. That's what got me.

You know I don't even like it when people say...."I'm a paying customer!". I don't like those types. But that's honestly a little bit how I feel. I'm a customer of the game and I'm giving honest input. I've supported the game and Dale himself. And then to have my arguments ignored by a guy that doesn't play the game, comes in here and starts talking about me calls me a freak talks about my forum won't address anything that I've said about the eny system and then tells me my whole argument is disingenuous. That's fine. This expected. But I don't understand why these people are even here in this forum. They have no intention of playing the game again

But the owner of the forum coming in here with that attitude. That gets me above anything else game related.

But as far as the game goes. Yeah I don't like sitting with an e n y over 21. And then when it gets to 29 and the numbers are so low. Yeah. People say oh it's just because you can't fly a spitfire. Lol. You can't fly dozens of planes. It's not that I'm looking for an advantage. It's just not enjoyable when you sit there and look at the options available when the eny gets that high. And then you look at the map and you see only a minor difference in players on each side. A big empty map.

So yeah. I need to figure out something else I guess. No one else seems to have an issue with it. Maybe the way I've expressed things has not been the best.

Anyway. End of the subject for me.

[Banshee7]

I think eny values needed revising more than the activation threshold, especially on the gv side.

Agreed.   

[oTRALFZo]

My opinion on ENY.

For the setup we used to have, it worked well. I totally understand the needs for it and absolutely love it when it favors me. When I get the chance to play lone wolf, I have no issues switching sides and going fighter mode. I love being on the outnumbered side and look forward to the hoards when their ENY is high.

It really Su*** when you are on primetime squad ops and having fun until the old fogies mass log off on the other sides  at 9pm so they can make the early bird specials at 6am. There has been a very rapid shift from no ENY to being on a side with your squaddies and now have a 29 ENY.

I  know it, I get it why we have it. However if you are a euro player or play with squaddies late at night, ENY just makes folks log off and kills great action. I am really pushing (and I know this is a sensitive subject) that we have AI to compensate in some way to even sides up. 

[diaster]

You seem to like Jugs. Next time you see me online, I invite you to join me in a ride along in a D-11 and maybe I can convince you that a crap plane can actually be a lot of fun?

But I agree that the threshold for ENY should be somewhere around 40 players online and it goes away.

crap plane against a -4, a tempest and a la7, THAT WAS ME LAST KNIGHT, got the la but a spit then joined in, me.... a zeke/zero the only way i kept the fight alive for 5 minutes. the eny should eitehr count airborn or the server should idle time out tower sleepers. hjeck they dont even put themselves afk to not affect the eny.... why is that? shades?

[SAJ73]

One suggestion of change would be to have ENY affected by #  of people in flight instead of # of people logged on.

That would throw the ones sitting in tower out of the equation. Right?

[Animl-AW]

This convo and subject really needs to be re-racked.

There needs to be a different approach.

When there were 500 it may have hid it’s flaws, low numbers just puts the flaws in the spotlight.

I’m not so sure limiting available planes is a good selling point. Do I have THE answer? Maybe not.

Maybe limiting planes available at bases to 8-12. But not letting them fly what they like will never go over well.

Seriously, lets rethink side balancing. Because right now the balancing is happening with log-offs.

A new concept is needed.

[Dadtallica]

This convo and subject really needs to be re-racked.

There needs to be a different approach.

When there were 500 it may have hid it’s flaws, low numbers just puts the flaws in the spotlight.

I’m not so sure limiting available planes is a good selling point. Do I have THE answer? Maybe not.

Maybe limiting planes available at bases to 8-12. But not letting them fly what they like will never go over well.

Seriously, lets rethink side balancing. Because right now the balancing is happening with log-offs.

A new concept is needed.

The question is whether it’s to balance the sides or to balance the options. I tend to think it’s function is to balance the options, not force any kind of side, balancing by design. Those are different things.

[The Fugitive]

crap plane against a -4, a tempest and a la7, THAT WAS ME LAST KNIGHT, got the la but a spit then joined in, me.... a zeke/zero the only way i kept the fight alive for 5 minutes. the eny should eitehr count airborn or the server should idle time out tower sleepers. hjeck they dont even put themselves afk to not affect the eny.... why is that? shades?

Tower sitters are put into the "afk" category automatically after a certain amount of time idle.....10-15 minutes maybe. I believe this also pertains to bombers on a long climb out GV sleeping under a tree. No new inputs in the 10-15 window they are added to the AFK column as well until an input is sensed.

The first column (total players on your team) minus those afk dont always match those in flight because those in the tower who have NOT hit the 10-15 minute timer to be put afk and those in the hanger are not displayed anywhere. Example: 30 online, 6 afk, 19 in the air. Means you have 5 players in the tower not yet timed out or in the hanger at the point you opened the window.

I think that how it works now, unless I missed a change.

[Animl-AW]

The question is whether it’s to balance the sides or to balance the options. I tend to think it’s function is to balance the options, not force any kind of side, balancing by design. Those are different things.

Well everything needs to be well thought-out.

It would limit how many can be dumped on a base without longer flight.

No matter the intensions, the current does have an effect on taking things away from the customer. It works in theory, without human nature. I think taking away from a customer can be, and will be, viewed as simply bad biz.

Kinda like I buy a happy meal, pay for it, but don’t get the fries because too many people in black t-shirts, for the same price. Think the customer would be back?

I’m not saying my suggestion is the answer, but take time to digest it.

We had base limits in AW, it worked well.  Sides become unbalanced base restrictions, but they still get their fav pet ride.

As I sad, the balancing is not switching sides it’s players logging off. At 29 ENY <waves>

Gonna have to swallow some pride and think outside the box.
A lot view it mentally as bad biz. Even though it’s not the intent.

Side note; -gg- was just saying out loud how many see it. Fitting in this clique makes any idea unhealthy. Some of yas should get over yourselves an think outside the box

[hitech]

Gonna have to swallow some pride and think outside the box.
A lot view it mentally as bad biz. Even though it’s not the intent.

Animal, I am not trying to contradict you, just want to shine some light on what you are referring to.

Having country numbers like 16/5/5 is what is bad for biz. That’s the real issue. The ENY is just something trying to help with the basic issue.

Any suggestion that is not trying to help the basic issue will be pretty much ignored by me. Any argument trying to say that’s not an issue because (whatever) is also just ignored.

HiTech

[Spikes]

Animal, I am not trying to contradict you, just want to shine some light on what you are referring to.

Having country numbers like 16/5/5 is what is bad for biz. That’s the real issue. The ENY is just something trying to help with the basic issue.

Any suggestion that is not trying to help the basic issue will be pretty much ignored by me. Any argument trying to say that’s not an issue because (whatever) is also just ignored.

HiTech

Can people who are willing to switch to lower numbered sides be exempt from the side-switch timer to some extent? Or a drastically reduced timer (such as 30 mins-1hr)? That was always the sticking point for me, if I switch once, that is it for the night.