Perfect Example of why NOT to hide CVs

[aknimitz]

So, last night it was agreed that CV20 should be taken away from P21 and protected, at least until we captured P21.  So off it goes, circling in the SW corner of the map.  We capture 21, 19 and 18.  A huge attack develops on 18, and 18 hanger go down.  Where is our CV to assist in the defense of 18?  SLOWLY making its way back toward P21, still 50 miles out.  

This is exactly WHY you shouldnt hide CVs and instead should use them to your advantage.  Talk about frustrating, it cost us bases last night, and will again in the future if that continues to happen.  I can understand temporary protection of CV, but get it in action when the danger clears!

Nimitz

[AKDejaVu]

There are two sides to that Nim.

If we would have lost 20 with the bish still in possession of 21, we would not have re-captured 21 and 19 (then eventually 18).  That is extremely difficult to do with a CV constantly respawning there.

I think the cost of it being out of battle (still on the map however) was outweighed by the risk of losing it in that situation.

The main reason the Bish could not hold 40 and 42 was that they didn't have a CV handy to fly from.  I prefered to keep it that way.

Please note, this is in no way intended to imply that off-the-map-CVs are ok in my oppinion... just that keeping them out of trouble at times is OK.

AKDejaVu

[Ripsnort]

I disclosed the location of the CV Knits captured to Wardog in Bishland when the party controlling the CV would not use it offensively.  They promptly took ownership back.  

I suspect we may have more cooperation in the future from such partys that are hiding CVs, but then again, maybe not.  Let this be a warning to any knits hiding CV's in far corners of the earth, I will disclose the location if you insist on not using it offensively.

I would hope others in Bish and Rooks will follow the same suit.

[whels1]

 

Originally posted by aknimitz:
So, last night it was agreed that CV20 should be taken away from P21 and protected, at least until we captured P21.  So off it goes, circling in the SW corner of the map.  We capture 21, 19 and 18.  A huge attack develops on 18, and 18 hanger go down.  Where is our CV to assist in the defense of 18?  SLOWLY making its way back toward P21, still 50 miles out.  

This is exactly WHY you shouldnt hide CVs and instead should use them to your advantage.  Talk about frustrating, it cost us bases last night, and will again in the future if that continues to happen.  I can understand temporary protection of CV, but get it in action when the danger clears!

Nimitz

lol u conveinantly forget, u kept tg41 away from 40/42 till we got the port <G>, wonder why u didnt sail it to p42 to help in the attack. TG41 was closer to 20 19 18 , where did it go? hmm u didnt use it either i guess. so keeping 20 out of harms way had no effect on those bases since tg41 was closer to them to start, so ur whine is nullified. thanks come again  

whels

[aknimitz]

Wow Whels, are you serious!?  I didnt take 41 down to 42 because 42 was under control.  I did take CV41 to help in the capture of A40, and in fact it was the only reason we captured A40.  If CV would not have been there, we would not have been able to capture because A39 was down.

And since you are incapable of having a grown up conversation, I want to make clear I wasnt whining, just stating why it is a bad thing to do, in my opinion.

Oh, and DJ, I totally agree about keeping CV21 safe until we get P20.  But we didnt have to have it way the hell out there so that it would take an hour to get into action.  I agree protect, but not render useless.

Nimitz

[This message has been edited by aknimitz (edited 04-10-2001).]

[AKDejaVu]

He's right whels, 41 was on the other side of 40, well away from 42.  The bish were focussed on taking 39 and 41 is where we launched most of the attacks on p40 and a42.  I doubt we could have got either without it since fh at 39 and the northern base (27?) were closed when the attacks began.

The CV was used heavily.

AKDejaVu

[hblair]

I rarely play with the CV's because of the politics involved.

[Sturm]

nimitz I know you are using your rank as a way to construe the evidence.  I see it on the country channel every night.  You bark out orders that a laymen can figure out.  Give it up and let it rest.  Let me ask you a question if a VH comes up and the base is being over run what do you think the first thing people will take out?  A M3?  I know your squad brings a lot to a country but the orders you send out are quite funny, a lot of us sit and laugh on RW when you do.

Just curious who has been taking the most bases?  you have how many members?  And JV44 has how many members?  Your 7 vs our 25 captures, 3 members vs 27?, I might add we would not get a lot of these captures without DG, he is in another squad but flies with us and has helped a tremendous amount in our success.  

     Remember we are not as stupid as you might think.  This issue on the carrier was dead as of last nights discussion with you and brady, why you keep bringing it up, well I know why.  And to be honest your quite the illusionist yourself.  I don't care if I offend you or your squad or others that think all high and mighty of you.  You have just proven why to think less of you and what you represent.  Truly asinine  

------------------
Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.

[Sturm]

Another point of interest why disclose information about your country?  To me that would = what we have as treason.  I guess those that never served in the real military do not know the consequences.  Keep on spewing out that info, you would make a great Benedict Arnold.  Remember him?  No names mentioned but those that do, remember when you ask for a lil help who will help you out.    

------------------
Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.

[AKDejaVu]

Sturm, you're funny.  And I mean that in a way that would have pissed Joe Pesci off.

AKDejaVu

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by Sturm:

     Remember we are not as stupid as you might think.  

The hell we aren't!!

Just ask my wife everytime she sees the bill for this game, the bill for all the joysticks and gear, the bill for the upgrades to the computer to keep up, and the bill for the shelf flight sims....hehe.

After viewing the weight of the evidence above, I'm sure you will realize we are actually dumber than we all think  

Cobra

[Sturm]

You talking to me?  You think I am funny?  Come one what do I say that makes you think I am so F...ing funny?  Man you guys are so fun to Fu.. with sometimes.

------------------
Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.

[AKSeaWulfe]

Sturm, Fighter Ace is calling.. it's missing it's highest ranking retard.  
-SW

[Sturm]

Now that was hilarious.  SW man you a stand up or what?  Wheeeew bet that took what a whole 2 seconds to think up?  Moron  

Bring it I have flamed with the best.  So far you are childs play.

------------------
Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.

[aknimitz]

Sturm,

I am not quite sure why you have taken this liberty to insult me on a public BBS.  I do what I do because I think it helps the country I am flying with.  I announce when a VH comes up because I doubt many others are sitting in the tower watching for it to come up as I do.  Do I need to announce Roll Ostwinds?  Nah, but if I do, what harm?  Offending someone of your superior mental capacity?  

And yes, Brady and I had a civilized conversation about CV's last night, and productive I thought.  But, we simply dont agree on how to operate CVs.  I respect how he wishes to operate them, its his $30.  

And what does your comment about capturing fields have to do with anything?  I would like to think that the AK's facilitate base capture and base defense.  Although you might not agree, I think others will.  

And yes, I think you are funny.  Why, because you are a CO of a squad, acting like a child on a public board.  That is funny.  And by the way, your right, you are no where near as stupid as I thought.

Sturm, seriously, why are you acting this way?  Calm down bro, this was just an opinion I posted, no reason to get all pissed off at the world.  I didnt realize you had such a thing for me or I would not have posted anything.

Nimitz


[This message has been edited by aknimitz (edited 04-10-2001).]