Author Topic: Buff-Guns :(( (Read 1597 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2001, 12:30:00 PM »

I have roughly a 2.7 to 1 K/D ratio against bombers, and I can tell you all the times I died its because I:

A> Made the wrong type of approach when killing it.
B> Threw patience out the door and stayed on the 'line of site' too long.
C> didn't jinx, roll enough coming in.

Fatty · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2001, 12:37:00 PM »

You also usually have more than 1 with you, no Rip?

I hate to climb on the whining bandwagon, but I have been hit passing directly over the bomber for a front attack at 3000 feet higher alt. I've joined the don't bother group for the most part, except HQ raids, which I'll go ahead and just do a suicide run guns blazing, figuring I'll take enough out of him and die and can go back to easier targets (fighters).

Fatty · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2001, 12:39:00 PM »

banana, actually Pyro did not state that. What he did state is that buff guns do not have the same dispersion fighters do. This equates to a longer effective range, and much higher damage at any range - all guns are hitting at convergence anywhere from 50 yards to 1500 yards.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2001, 12:49:00 PM »

Fatty, when I get buffs, I'm usually alone.

With MAG_33 or squadron ops, we primarily do ATG stuff, rarely fighter sweeps, and we're usually too busy to go after buffs...

TBone · « **Reply #34 on:** April 13, 2001, 01:14:00 PM »

banana - I don't think buffs will disappear at all if the gun range/effectiveness is normalized. What I think you will see is more cooperative gameplay with buffs in formations working cooperatively with escorts.

TBone

Fariz · « **Reply #35 on:** April 13, 2001, 01:18:00 PM »

That is all tactics, if using right tactics even buffs has little chance to sirvive even with uber .50.

My stats against buffs this tour:

B-17G 4-0
B-26B 6-1
Lanc 1-0
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11-1

Ju-88 4-1
TBM-3 9-0
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10-1

Total: 21-2

And most of these kills were in Yak-9u, which is not a buff hunter. Also my lag gives any buff almost one second more time to hit me after I get it.

I really think that killing buffs is not so tough, as many used to think.

Fariz

Tac · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2001, 01:59:00 PM »

"At least your fighting a real human....not some code"

Wrong. You're fighting a real human that has "the code" working for him. Buff guns ARE boosted for gameplay reasons.

Increase buff gun range due to lag? Ok, I can live with that. Increase their hitting power by an order of a magnitude (be it bullet damage increased or by having all guns, including those that shouldnt be able to bear on you hit you at perfect convergence at any range)? Incredibly idiotic. THIS is what has to be fixed.

Some planes also have bugs in their damage sustained thing. Hit a zeke at point blank range with a toejamload of 4 .50's and 1 20mm cannon and it becomes a fireball... that can still turn, fight, etc as if nothing happened for the next 10 minutes. A P-38 receives 1 ping from anything bigger than a .50 cal and it loses a wing or tail.

jato757 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2001, 02:14:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Ozark:
At least your fighting a real human....not some code.

thats why poeple love this game!!!!!!!

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easymo · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2001, 02:16:00 PM »

To kill a buff.

Fly a G10 with 30mm ammo. It makes climbing above them less of a chore and of course You always attack B26's from the belly (no guns). the G10 climb rate makes this easier.

B17's. You get above. never attack at less then 400 ias. Aim for a wing, not the fuselage. Use combat trim to steady your aim. Use a gentle scissors on approach. And remember anything shooting at your face is an H O. Net lag will effect what happens.

I have never been able to kill more than 7 buff"s in a single sortie, so I'm not an expert. But this system works well.

Tac · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2001, 04:22:00 PM »

easymo, that works until the buff turns on a dime and presents you with its 6 when you are diving on it at 400mph.

I'll keep saying it, there is no tactic that works against buffs because of their turbolasers. You only kill buffs because the gunner is either not watching you or has a lousy aim.. and even then you are at high risk. Oh, did I mention buffs turn like a zeke? Oh yeah, I did..

llbm_MOL · « **Reply #40 on:** April 13, 2001, 04:47:00 PM »

Leave em alone and let them bomb is my motto. Its hard sometimes not to try to kill them. Its kinda like quitting smoking. You just gotta try one every now and then. But I mainly leave them alone. The guns are just to deadly to mess with.

LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

ET · « **Reply #41 on:** April 13, 2001, 04:57:00 PM »

So far this tour
B17 kills 1592 killed 2064
B26 kills 1198 killed 1645
Lan kills 878 killed 1634
Ju88kills 300 killed 1101
Total 3968 6444
By all means,soften the buff guns,they are much too hard to kill.The figures should read 100 kills to 52,398 killed.
And as far as getting 10 buffs together for a bomb run,hehehehehehe.

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** April 13, 2001, 05:13:00 PM »

Killing buffs is a challenge, and it's fun.

SOB

P.S. Fatty is a whiner!

Dinger · « **Reply #43 on:** April 13, 2001, 05:54:00 PM »

point of information: there is a separate lethality setting for manned guns, such as those on bombers.

DB603 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 13, 2001, 06:05:00 PM »

S!

Buffs are tough ones to kill and need patience to get.My stats on them so far are..

Lancaster 13/2
B17G 9/1
B26B 1/1

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