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Offline Bluedog

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« on: January 12, 2002, 04:56:04 AM »
G'day all,

I was just wondering if anyone knew the story behind some of the planes represented in Aces High.
What I mean is, for instance the P51B is 'Shangri-La', Don Gentile's mount, which currently resides ( or at least is rumoured to) in a farmer's pond, where it was bulldozed to after Mr Gentile smacked his prop and radiator into the ground on a (all too) low pass of his home airfield after completing his tour. Apparently they 'where' going to send both Gentile and the aircraft on a war bonds tour, but,alas, 'Shangri-La' was a write off.
From what I can make out, the 109G6 is Erich Hartmann's 'Black Tulip', and the FW190-A8 is 'Pips' Priller's.
I think the Spit IX was flown by the boss of 303 Sqdn RAF (Polish), though I have no idea of the gentleman's name.
Anyone know the stories for the rest of them?
I would guess from the fact that a few are pretty accurate representations of 'real life' aircraft, and then ones that would be considered 'famous', that all the aircraft would have an interesting story behind them, or at least I'm hoping so.

Can someone fill me in on the history behind the rest of the planes?
Thanks,
Blue

Offline DB603

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2002, 05:10:08 AM »
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 The Bf109G-2 MT-222 "Yellow 2" is  LLv34's top ace Ilmari "Illu" Juutilainen's plane in which he scored 16 kills while flying it. His total tally was 96kills(unofficially 128).

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2002, 06:35:09 AM »
The Tempest is Pierre Clostermann's 'Grand Charles', although the propeller cap should be painted red.

The Ki-61 is Kobayashi Teruhiko's '295', although the 20mm guns were located in the wings and not above the cowling on this plane.

I believe Ivan Khodzhedub flew the red nosed La-7.

I don't know who flew the Spit V, but the 'PR' tag belongs to 609 Sqdn RAF 'West Riding of Yorkshire'.

I would like to know who flew the Typhoon. Roland Beamont maybe?
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2002, 06:36:57 AM »
The Mosquito Mk VI is "Black Rufe" of No 418 'City of Edmonton' Squadron.

This was Sqn Ldr Robert Allan Kipp and Flt Lt Peter Huletsky's Mossie.

It is missing the markings on the  port nose.  There should be a hillbilly with a rifle on it with 17 swasticas under it as kill markers.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2002, 06:50:45 AM »
John Godfrey who was Don Gentiles wingman flew Reggies Reply, Reggie was Johns brother and was killed in the war, John died from ALS.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2002, 07:44:52 AM »
With a quick look, here's a few of them:

North American P-51D-15-NA 44-14906 CRIPES A'MIGHTY, flown by Major George Preddy, Officer Commanding 352nd Fighter Group.

Focke-Wulf Fw-190A-5. Flown by Leutnant Otto Kittel, Staffelkapitän of2./JG 54 'Grunherz'.

Republic P-47D-25 Pilot 1st Ten Av Rui Moreira, Green Squadron 1* GAvCa.

Focke-Wulf Fw-190D-9. Major Gerhard Barkhorn, Stab/ JG 6.

Focke-Wulf Ta-152H-1. Flown by Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke, Stab/ JG 301.

Lockheed P-38L-1-LO S/N 44-24155. PUDGY (V), flown by Major Thomas B. McGuire,
431st Fighter Squadron of the 457th Fighter Group, 5th Air Force.

Grumman F6F-5. Minsi II, flown by Commander David McCampbell,
CAG-15, USS "Essex".

Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10. Flown by Hauptmann Franz Wienhusen. 4./ JG 4.

Supermarine Mk IXC BS451/RF-M. JOAN, of Squadron Leader Jan Falkowski, OC No 303 Squadron.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2002, 04:15:13 PM »
The P-51D in AH is Preddys ( Ratsy ) 2nd Mustang ride, I beleive he was the highest scoring pilot in the P-51D.

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2002, 05:15:52 PM »
Tyro48,

If you look at the serial number in the tail of the AH P-51D you'll notice that the serial number matches with Preddy's last mount which I posted above.

If one counts air kills alone (that's the way I count it too) Preddy indeed is the highest scoring Mustang ace of the war but If you count ground kills (US kept track of ground kills too) and air kills together John Meyer is the highest scoring P-51 ace.

Here's a couple of more:

Lavochkin La-5fn "White 14". Flown by Ivan Kozhedub, 240.IAP, 302 IAD, 5 VA.

Lavochkin La-7 "White 23". Flown by Major V Orekhov, 32.Gv.IAP, 3 Gv.IAD, 1 Gv.IAK.

There seems to be an interesting story behind AH's Me-262 "White 3" (not 100% sure if it's the same aircraft but it looks like it). Check out this website:
http://www.stormbirds.com/schwalbe/testimonies/mutke.htm

AH's Spitfire Mk.V W3238 seems to be one of the Presentation aircraft and was named "The London Butcher". More about it here: http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/present.htm

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2002, 05:32:56 PM »
We're both right on Preddys last mount! His first P-51D had the side markers of "HO":)

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2002, 05:38:43 PM »
Revisited all his 51 rides:

P51B-10-NA   S/N 42-106451  HO*P
P51D-5-NA     S/N 44-13321    HO*P
p51D-15-NA   S/N 44-14906    PE*P

so technically  his last  51 was his third ride;)

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2002, 09:49:01 PM »
So, who was the pilot of our Bf 109F-4?

 this topic is very interesting.. any more info or reference is greatly
 appreciated  :)

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2002, 10:27:25 PM »
The spit vb was flown by squadron leader Micheal Robinson

The 109 g10 is from Stab VI/Jg4 and was flown by Fanz Wienhusen

The 109 G6 is one of Hartmans planes

The 190a8 was flown by Pipps Priller

The 262 was Gallands

The Spit XIVe was flown By Wing Commaner Jeff Northcott

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2002, 01:07:28 AM »
It looks like the bf109f-4 was flown by a Gruppen Kommandeur possiblely of JG94, any way thats what the thin black stripe followed by a larger white one & then again by the thin black stripe would suggest, but the german marking system can get a novice like me messed up fairly easily, anyone out there know?

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2002, 10:12:04 AM »
The 109f4 is one of Hans Hahns planes from when he was gruppen comodore of III Jg2  Nov 1941

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2002, 05:20:26 PM »
P-47D30 Markings are of the 397 Fighter Squadron, 368 Fighter group.  The picture I have of a D30 with these markings was taken in 1946.  Finding the pilot of our AH D30 might take some doing.  I'll give it a shot.
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