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Offline SirLoin

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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2002, 08:04:19 PM »
It is time for a Carb closed - G Spit!!!
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2002, 08:46:10 PM »
I say if it saw a lot of action in WW2 then it goes in unperked.
It was extensively used and therefore should never be perked unless it approaches a disproprtionate percentage of use in the Arena.same for any aircraft.

eg
arado-low RL numbers produced, jet = perked
me262-low RL numbers produced, jet = perked
F4uc-low RL numbers produced,overuse in MA = perked
Ta152-low RL numbers produced, (any other reason?) = perked
tempest-relatively low RL numbers produced = perked
F4u4-low numbers produced? = perked

seems simple to me.Introduce the spitIVX but if you overuse it expect it to be perked.Stop all this lufftwhiner toejame.The same rule applies to all LW aircraft.When they approach the overuse in MA  then perk them.

I thought that was what it was here for.
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2002, 09:47:16 PM »
This from palef....

All Merlin spits had carbs, and it was a butterfly type valve that stopped the carb flooding when inverted. Came in on late model spit 2bs. It was actually designed by a friend’s mother that worked in a design team during WWII. She was the first female draughtsman in England. She also worked on Tailfin drawings for tallboy and grand slam. Vivian Potter is her name.

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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2002, 10:01:45 PM »
A. Correct Hazed.  And also remember that "extensively used" isn't simply numbers used, but the percentage you'd likely see.
It's also a matter of unbalancing the arena.  heck, having flown the 109 probly more than the spit, I don't see any problem in perking both the G10 and the Spit XIV.  If  you want an ueber109, take the G6.  If you like the 109, well you have a choice: G2 or F4. (or soon, an Emil).  

The orifice in question came in both 12-psi and 16-psi varieties.  That means that it was applied to the Spit I sometime after the beginning of the BOB (when they moved from 86 to 100 octane, they took their time before kicking the MAP to 54 mm Hg), but they developed it and applied the orifice before they integrated it into the engine.
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2002, 11:14:28 PM »
Thrila
"I noticed that whining seems to get things changed if enough people whine."

I believe your mistaken. Bringing a desire or problem to HTCs attention and getting someone to argue against you maybe to dredge out the facts definatly does work.  Whining from what I have seen doesnt work.
 
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I just feel that the spitfire is under represented in this game due to-

A) lack of spitfire models(three now. 4 next version)

B) the models they do have are the poorer/uncommon versions
(Spitvb was very common....Early Spit IX F with merlin 61 and 50 cals is non-existant. not uncommon)

"I don't see why HTC didn't model the spitIX to it's fullest abilities ie the spitIX LF."

Why they didnt? Because before the advent of the Perk planes the Spit IX F we had could make a case for being the best plane we had. It certainly has always been very popular. This is a game and game ballance is very important. The original few planes were very different but very well ballenced to each other.A fully realized Spit IX Lf or HF would have unbalanced the area that much more.
Now with the perk system it will be doable I am sure...

Also for a long time guys insisted they didnt want a proper late war Merlin Spit. They insisted they wanted a XIV and anything else was just a luftwobble conspiracy and an insult.... I was the one saying a nice Spit XVIe would be awsome.... I was attacked for it...They whined for the XIV....

If whineing could achieve your goal I think it would be done now. But in an arena with La7s and Pony Ds and Fw190D9s...I think there may be room soon for a real late war merlin spit.
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2002, 11:59:31 PM »
Hazed,

The Spitfire MkXIV needs to be a perk from the outset.  You and I both know that it would be heavily overused.  The Spitfire F.MkIX is already heavily used, so heavily that it is the most common aircraft in the MA by a good margin. I find it hard to imagine that the people who choose aircraft based on what gives them the greatest percieved advantage will not move enmasse from the Spitfire MkIX, N1K2, P-51D and La-7 to the Spitfire MkXIV if it were free when introduced.

Pongo,

I think that a Spit F.XVIe would be a great way for the bubble cannopy Spitfire to be added to AH.

I wouldn't say that the Spit XVI is significantly more representative than the Spitfire XIV however.  There were 1,053 Spitfire MkXVI version built against 957 Spitfire MkXIV versions.  That isn't a huge diference.

I think that a bubble canopy Spitfire MkXVI and a perked Spitfire F.MkXIVc would finish off the Spitfire representation in AH.

What I can't see is how a lightly perked Spitfire MkXVI would be useful in the MA with a Spit16 icon over it.  The performance of the Spit XVI simply doesn't give it enough to survive against the perkplane gang bang that occurs whenever a perk icon shows up.

I think that it would be proabably that the Spitfire F.XVIe would need to be a light perk like the F4U-1C.
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2002, 12:51:03 AM »
Your right from a numbers stand point. But the XVI could also represent a IXLF(which I think they all were with clipped wings too.)
Then we could get a VIII to represent itself and the IX HF....
Then the XIV...:)
all of em I say!
Or hide am all under the Spit icon like the 190s and the 109s get to....would be a real nasty suppise in the case of a XIV though...
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2002, 02:08:20 AM »
--- thrila: ---
I noticed that whining seems to get things changed if enough people whine.
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Guess you've missed the whole RAM debacle, where HiTech said RAM's whining hurt the cause more than helped.


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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2002, 06:54:22 AM »
"Guess you've missed the whole RAM debacle, where HiTech said RAM's whining hurt the cause more than helped. "

Worked for the CT.

Concentrated whining lead to a whole arena just for two people.
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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2002, 06:59:05 AM »
Ok guys, so maybe whining doesn't work.  


But still, it would be very nice to have a spitIX LF.  I do not see any reason why, there will still be many planes that outperform it in one area or another.

I would hope that when the spit XIV would be able to hide under the regular spit icon.  I agree with guys on that issue- it simply doesn't have the performance to escape from the gang banging that would happen with a spit14 icon over it.


Now thats all out of the way time to whine about the seafire and the spit21......;)
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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2002, 08:48:42 AM »
My Spitfire has a float Carb too. But it's a Triumph and the only time I took a "nose down" dive was into a ditch, and constant fuel flow was the least of my problems. Injection sure would be nice though.

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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2002, 09:06:32 AM »
"Worked for the CT. Concentrated whining lead to a whole arena just for two people."

  As well as a minimally attended event every Wednesday!

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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2002, 10:19:04 AM »
If there's only two flying in the CT, then I guess Seeker is one of the two. :)
Kinda OT, but we hope to have one of the new terrains going very soon to add some variety to the CT. Terrain guys are working hard to get them done as fast as possible. I hope to see seeker and his friends when the new Theaters come into play.
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Funny stuff Pongo. :)
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