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Offline shoppe123

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Bf109 Arrgghhhhh!
« on: January 14, 2002, 09:54:28 AM »
I'll just whine, about my 109, my ... b...f....1...0....9 (To the tune of the Beach Boys 409)

Well I'm new and always liked the looks of the German planes. I had hoped to learn the German planes in AH. In Air Warrior the 109 was pretty close to a spit. It was pretty much almost as easy as the spit to fly, but a little more of a challenge. I realize this isn't AW, but it's my only frame of reference. The biggest problem in AW with the 109 was it tended to be sparse on ammo. Something good for holding up liquor stores :D

Well so far the 109 has been very difficult for me to not spin in AH. Also I just never see them in the air, which leads me to think they may be modeled different here. Is the 109 that difficult to fly in AH? I'd like to pick a turn fighter and a BZ plane to learn on and stick with. I'm pretty happy with the 190 for a BZ plane (although I don't see many of those compared to the 51). And the spit just takes so much flak as a newbie plane. :) Also I feel the spit is probably not going to do much to force me to improve my skill compared to some of the other planes.

So is the 109 a viable plane I should stick with? I'd hate to put a lot of time into it just to learn it's not up to par in AH. Any comments welcomed. Thanks! LeadPump

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2002, 09:58:09 AM »
IMO the 109F is the "turner" in the 109 stable. Until you get used to the AH FM you may want to try flying that one. Then when you get better at turn fighting move on to the more powerful 109 models.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2002, 10:11:10 AM »
The 109 is harder to fly well in than lets say a Spit or Niki, but dont let that discorage you. You seem to like 109s so stick with it and learn. And I agree with this dork Westy :)  fly the 109F with gondolas while learning. Also try the 190A5 for boom and zoom If you like it.

Enjoy AH its the best internet sim by far and its getting better every day.

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2002, 10:15:39 AM »
Yep, 109F for turning. But with 109G2 you will get a good turner and a good B&Zoomer at the same time. If you plane to B&Z alone, try them with 2 extra 20mm guns. Note that any 109 variant require a lot of trimming and you will found all of them very hard to control at hi speeds.
109s are not "easymode" rides and well flown are extremely dangerous opponents.

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2002, 10:22:28 AM »
I can tell I'll love AH. The community is excellent.

I do miss the old GameStorm though, with all the variety. They had a hell of a good thing there a few years ago for $10. AW, LoK, MPBT, etc. I played AW and LoK for a few years on GameStorm till the evil empire shut down LoK. Then I went to UO for about 3 1/2 years. But I've just about had it with killing dragons :) Flight sims were always my second favorite. Mostly because it takes a great deal of time and effort just to be decent :) But I'm prepared to put some time into it this time around :) I'm so burned out on RPG's, I don't think I'll be able to look at another dragon or dungeon for a few years. Thank ghod for AH. It's just the kind of thing I needed :) And with a community as good, if not better than AW had. Sweet :) And it is fun being a newbie again. :)

But I still don't see a lot of BF109's in the air *grin* LeadPump

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2002, 10:26:55 AM »
shoppe, if you fly against the country "Knights" you will see more 109s than if you fly against other countries. This tends to be the biggest contingent of LW squads or guys who prefer LW aircraft. I dunno why, just is.

Be careful though, all 109s carry the same tags and with the variety- F4, G2, G6, G10- you can easily be outclassed and you won't know until you are close to him to see his paint scheme.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2002, 10:33:13 AM »
Well I'm pretty much use to getting shot up on every flight. And if by chance I didn't get shot up I'm dead meat on landing  ;) If I get a few pings in that's just a bonus *grin*. So I don't worry about being out classed. I know that before my tires leave the ground, hehe. I'll fight anyone, anytime. Figure I'll learn as I go :) LeadPump

PS Anyone know how to get my board name back to LeadPump after the board switch?

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2002, 10:33:58 AM »
No idea, my handle was SWulfe but it changed to my username after the board switch. If you find anything lemme know. I'll do the same.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2002, 10:42:05 AM »
It sounded like they put a lot of extra hours in just getting the boards going again. Which was much appreciated. I hope after they have time to catch their breath they'll put something in to let us change it back. I use Shoppe123 on a number of sites and wasn't really happy to see it go "public". I sent an email about it but didn't hear anything back yet. I'm sure they realize that this is a concern. LP

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2002, 11:03:27 AM »
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you will found all of them very hard to control at hi speeds.


Yes! LOL! Much like Shoopy and the Red Baron I come swooping down out of the clouds and straight into the ground, hehe. Need to fine tune that a bit :) Nothing like that look on my face when I realize I'm going *way* to fast to ever pull out of it! LeadPump

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Re: Bf109 Arrgghhhhh!
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2002, 11:38:20 AM »
Heya bud. I came from AW too. What was your CPID there? I flew the AW109G-2 in FR almost exclusively. It would hang with a Spit there if handled properly, but it certainly was not easy to do. Spits were tough there as they are here. Biggest diff is flaps ain't gonna help ya like they did in AW. That was the edge in AW.

I'm trying my damnedest to get the hang of AH's 109. Gettin there but its a bit more challenging still than AW's was--which is just fine with me. Still haven't found the same level of comfort with these 109s. But I'm a persistent bastid and I won't "dumb down" in my choice of ride.

You'll find these 109s have many of the same strengths and weaknesses as their AW cousins. They're excellent climbers. The later models have better speed. They turn fairly well--better than most. Spits and N1's are not to be turned with generally. Or Zekes or Hurris of course--just like in AW. You'll find out what you can and can't get away with in time. Experiment. Get killed doing it. So what.

They compress very easily at over 400mph so watch out. If you do, try chopping throttle and adding a little sideslip with the rudder. If things get really ugly use a lot of up elevator trim to save you from lawn darting.

The already horrid roll rate is amplified at speed. Rolls like a pig at over 300. However pitch control remains good in that range. Just like in AW.

Flaps are all but useless that I've found. The 109 gets a bit unstable in turns between 150-200mph. You'd think a notch of flap would help but if it does I haven't gotten the hang of it. More flap just makes things worse. So forget about flaps.

Guns are fairly weak if you take the basic arrangement. I usually take just the single 20 in the nose as I'm a terrible shot and need the extra ammo. The 30 will do a lot more damage but the deal is you have to hit what you're aiming at hehe. You can take the gondolas for extra punch but they add a lot of drag and will essentially negate what strengths the 109 has. I never take gondolas unless I KNOW I'm goin buff hunting.

Mind your trim as the 109 likes to be flying in trim. I fly in and out of combat trim. Depends on the situation. Combat trim seems to help my shooting a bit. I still suck there tho.


Good luck in AH bro. Hope to see ya up sometime. The CT has 109s in it--stop in there sometime.

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I'll just whine, about my 109, my ... b...f....1...0....9 (To the tune of the Beach Boys 409)

Well I'm new and always liked the looks of the German planes. I had hoped to learn the German planes in AH. In Air Warrior the 109 was pretty close to a spit. It was pretty much almost as easy as the spit to fly, but a little more of a challenge. I realize this isn't AW, but it's my only frame of reference. The biggest problem in AW with the 109 was it tended to be sparse on ammo. Something good for holding up liquor stores :D

Well so far the 109 has been very difficult for me to not spin in AH. Also I just never see them in the air, which leads me to think they may be modeled different here. Is the 109 that difficult to fly in AH? I'd like to pick a turn fighter and a BZ plane to learn on and stick with. I'm pretty happy with the 190 for a BZ plane (although I don't see many of those compared to the 51). And the spit just takes so much flak as a newbie plane. :) Also I feel the spit is probably not going to do much to force me to improve my skill compared to some of the other planes.

So is the 109 a viable plane I should stick with? I'd hate to put a lot of time into it just to learn it's not up to par in AH. Any comments welcomed. Thanks! LeadPump
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Bf109 Arrgghhhhh!
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2002, 11:40:45 AM »
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No idea, my handle was SWulfe but it changed to my username after the board switch. If you find anything lemme know. I'll do the same.
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Well in the day of having a 1000's emails ... I cleared the cookies file and registered with another email address. Now I have =LeadPump= instead of LeadPump. Which is one way to go if nothing else :) Now if it will allow me to change my email back to my main email, my deception will be complete :) Although I've probably broke 10 TOS agreements ;) LP

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Re: Re: Bf109 Arrgghhhhh!
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2002, 11:54:08 AM »
I used LeadPump there too (AW). But you need to remember I started there about 6 to 7 years ago and quit there 4 to 5 years ago. So I haven't flown in a long time and have forgotten everything. I was in the "by the hour" plan for a very brief time and then I either learned about GameStorm or GS just started. Then I played Legends of Kesmai and AW. LoK finally won out and I devoted my time after that to becoming a mighty wizard :) I do remember some of the folks here from AW. Hard to forget some squard names like the "Fat Druken Bastards" who seem to have been around forever. :)

I'm going out now to try and find some USB Pedals at Best Buy or Electronics Boutique. Hope they stock them in house like they say on the web site. Looking forward to getting back in the swing of it! And I love being able to jump in a field gun when I get frustrated with flying :) LP

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2002, 03:33:55 PM »
Ahh that would essplain it. You were long gone by my time.

Yep. Lotta AW squads around still with a lot of ol' timers. I fly with The Damned. Lotta guys that you might remember and would remember you. We fly knights.

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I used LeadPump there too (AW). But you need to remember I started there about 6 to 7 years ago and quit there 4 to 5 years ago. So I haven't flown in a long time

I do remember some of the folks here from AW. Hard to forget some squard names like the "Fat Druken Bastards" who seem to have been around forever. :)

"Drano"
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FSO flying with the 412th Friday Night Volunteer Group