Author Topic: 109 Drivers only... (Read 1013 times)

eskimo2 · « **on:** January 14, 2002, 12:09:54 PM »

Do you take gondolas?
I always do, and assumed that everyone else did as well.
Please respond if you fly 109s 10 or more sorties a tour.

eskimo

eskimo2 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2002, 12:20:03 PM »

WOW!
OK you "sometimes" guys, explain yourself?
What makes you decide to take them or not?

eskimo

-ammo- · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2002, 12:24:32 PM »

If I wanted more cannons I would have taken a 190.

Wilbus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2002, 12:57:13 PM »

I second that ammo. To take gondolas on a 109 removes it superior rate of climb and quite good manuverabilty, and thus removes everything the 109 stands for. Prefer my 190 most of the time but 109 lovely 1 vs 1 and 1 vs ALOT where you can get out.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:03:28 PM »

I only take the gondalas if what I am planning to do requires firepower. Say, bomber hunting or ground attack.

Otherwise I'd rather have the performance of the aircraft as unhampered as possible.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:12:47 PM »

The sometimes depends on how I plan on flying. If I'm going to be high up- I take no gondolas. If I'm medium to low alt, I take gondolas.

I only fly G2 and F4 though.
-SW

Airscrew · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:13:18 PM »

I always take them because I like to make things go boom.

Kieran · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:16:34 PM »

I agree with those that mentioned the role of the sortie. There is no reason to take gondolas to dogfight, unless you are going to dare people to HO. You need to be lighter to turnfight in a 109.

Fatty · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:39:11 PM »

Need to fill out the voting options with "most of the time" and "rarely".

109f turns fine even with gondolas, only if I'm going into a herd of zeros would I ditch them.

Udie at Work · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:44:43 PM »

I always take them, I'm so good it I need to lose the performance to keep the arena fair

hblair · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:55:34 PM »

Rarley take them in G10 and G6, usually do in G2 and F4.

pimpjoe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2002, 02:03:30 PM »

i rarely fly the 109's but when i do...what hb said

Soda · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2002, 02:12:08 PM »

It depends on what type of fight I expect to encounter. I concur that I take gondolas for anti-bomber or ground attack work but I also sometimes take them for anti-fighter use. If I think I can BnZ and will have to take a lot of snapshots while still having an alt advantage in the fight then I want the extra firepower. If I think I'm going to be needing my defense to stay alive then I'm not going to take gondolas as they affect performance too much.

I tend to bring the 30mm along with the 20mm gondolas for anti-bomber work though in a G10... I love having all that firepower.

-Soda

Sabre · « **Reply #13 on:** January 14, 2002, 02:12:12 PM »

I almost always take them, as I'm a boom&zoom kind of 109 driver. My aim is only so-so, which means I need all the rounds out there I can get. I fly the 109F mostly, and it doesn't suffer that much with gondolas in terms of maneuverability. The only time I usually take the G10 is when I'm lifting to intercept buffs, in which case I really need the extra firepower. Climb is still very respectable, especially on WEP (which you have a lot of), and it's still pretty fast.

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** January 14, 2002, 02:13:27 PM »

Untalented 109 pilots like me need the gondolas - bad.

For us, the extra performance doesn't mean much, since if we gonna be shot down by somebody, we'd be shot down anyway.

It's like the "Nike" shoes.. or maybe the 'aerodynamic suits' the 100m track runners wear... they put in all kinds of stuff and technology into that one shoe or suit.... experts like Carl Lewis or somebody might feel the difference by wearing that shoe or suit, but to a normal joe - it's just another expensive sneakers, and another funky hooded T-shirt

The gondolas provide a generous amount of chance in taking shots without needing to have wory 'ooh... I'm already under 100 rounds in 20mm????'. The untalented may get a chance at someone's six, but usually our gunnery doesn't catch up with the chance provided, so we blow it. Waste 60-70 rounds just to ping that guy once or twice. It's there the 250 extra 20mm rounds kick in

Hey, I've got 400 rounds of these babies- oooh !

Survival comes later, since our usual option is to just run straight home, and most of the times, this is successful. Gondola'd G-10s still outrun the Sputfires and N1K2s

I think that's why the Luft Waffe actually evaluated the 190 as 'easy and simple to fly and fight in, compared to 109s'. Planes with lots of ammo load helps the rookies - a lot.