HTC...details of 1.09 buffs?

[popeye]

Is the multi-buff thing gonna happen?  Any news on how it will work?

[maik]

[MANDOBLE]

multi-buff thing ????

[steely07]

Apparently popeye,not sure if it will be implemented immediately on 1.09's release,but it is coming,personally,i'm not sure if it's a good thing or not...BUT i am not a programmer or games writer so we just have to trust HTC,they are the ones with the vision of how this game will develop and i for one can't wait to see whats coming up )
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Steely

[MANDOBLE]

What is the idea of "multi-buffs"? drone buffs attached to a human driven one?

[Karnak]

MANDOBLE,

Here is a link to Sabre's interview with HiTech at the 2001 AH con in which the buff changes are discussed.

Wargamer interview with HiTech

This is what people are refering to.

[MANDOBLE]

Thanks for the link, excelent news there.

[AmRaaM]

multi buff stuff,  this games gettin more stupid by the minute. they aready do 400+ and 1/2 the guns fire right through the fuselage. Not to mention you can literally do a 360 level flight in the b17. this be gettin like a 25 cent arcade joke. I just killed a n1k that was compressed trying to catch my b17 in a dive Sunday, LOL even after i warned him what i was gonna do. I've had lances chasing my 262 at 400+ here LOL , now we gettin  multi-plane fighterbombers ?  LOL yeah i can just picture 4 lances in formation dive bombing a large base, LOL 2 flights of them would flatten the whole damn thing.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by AmRaaM
multi buff stuff,  this games gettin more stupid by the minute. they aready do 400+ and 1/2 the guns fire right through the fuselage. Not to mention you can literally do a 360 level flight in the b17. this be gettin like a 25 cent arcade joke. I just killed a n1k that was compressed trying to catch my b17 in a dive Sunday, LOL even after i warned him what i was gonna do. I've had lances chasing my 262 at 400+ here LOL , now we gettin  multi-plane fighterbombers ?  LOL yeah i can just picture 4 lances in formation dive bombing a large base, LOL 2 flights of them would flatten the whole damn thing.

Dude calm down.  As I understand it, bomb dispersion is coming with the multi-buff's which means the stupid pinpoint accuracy from 40k bombs will be GONE. With any luck, buff-guns will be toned down, or maybe even Otto-the-gunner will be added.  I for one will find it refreshing to see formations of bombers to shoot at more than once a month.  Really.  HTC plainly stated that bombers were going to recieve some real attention with 1.09 (or later)....were talking Hitech and crew here MAAAN...it can only get  better.

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[mrsid2]

I'm really hoping otto will be left out of the equasion.
I've had enough deaths from the magically accurate ack as it is.

Nothing like avoiding 10 human players attempts to kill me, manouver out of the way, 500mph speed and to notice oops I'm over ack. 100% pinpoint precision PING PING and whole rear fuselage missing. I'm avoiding ack range at all costs because I know it's a one way mission if I go there. De-ack a field? No way. It's like pulling the trigger on yourself.

Have you ever noticed how hard it is to hit a fast diving P51 with m16 or osty? Well, not so for ack. So there's definately something wrong with the code.

[ergRTC]

Amraam!! I really thought you would be looking forward to this, but I guess you may not have known about the dispersion.  I think the buff formations will be great from both sides!  When and if this happens the rtc could up in excess of 60 bombers in a mission following our normal squad night missions.  Now if I had a ta152 or a 51 up in a sector with 60+ nme 17s flying along I would be one happy camper!

I think this will really add to game play, as most of the reason for fighters was for bomber intercept, and bomber protection.  I think some of the planes will really begin to shine once they are used in that fashion, rather than for ant line furballs.  How excited would you get if your in a mossie at 30k and you see a huge formation of 17s down at 20k?  

>s< erg

[mrsid2]

If buff leathality remains as it is, he would be crapping his pants and wepping to the other direction.

[ergRTC]

You really think buffs are so lethal?  I dont see this at all.  If you are having problems getting shot down buy uber buffs, the problem is probably technique, or just getting too greedy.  Climbing up under a buff is not  a good idea, unless its a lanc.  diving in from 12 or 6 is also not advised.  

Techniques differ quite a bit between bombers as well (like never attack a ju88 from anywhere behind it).  Diving in from 12 is a good idea in this case.

Also, never try to blow it up, or knock a whole wing off.  Just shoot the tail, or take out the wing tips.  Then move to the next target.  he will crash, sometime, and probably wont be able to hit anything if he makes it to target.   Sitting on a bombers six and unloading 1000 rounds is not a good idea.

[mrsid2]

ergRTC spare your lectures, when you will meet the _concentrated_ firepower of 20 B-17's you'll know what I was talking about. You won't stand a chance.

If buff guns kill effectively now with 1 plane one can only imagine what will happen when there are 20 times the firepower behind the button. Not to mention the dispersive effect of fire coming from many directions - the gunner won't even have to aim that good. Just in the general direction.

Buff guns are very leathal if I alone can shoot down two 262's and a 152 all attacking me at the same time. At 27k high.

All it takes is a couple stranded pings from the .50 and fighter loses wing or radiator.

[ergRTC]

Not a lecture mrsid, I just dont see the lethality you do, and was describing why I probably don't see it.

In my stats, I have killed 2 people while flying my 17, and I have been killed 3 times while flying a 17.  I have been killed only once by a 17.  Seems pretty even to me.  This is out of around 18 b17 sorties this month.  I have shot down 3 b17s, course I rarely run into them.

I dont see hitech turning these formations into impossible targets, but I have a feeling that it will be much more meaningful to alt monkey in a 190 a8 when it happens.