No more hanger queens!!

[F4UDOA]

Currently in AH we have the likes of the

C202
Hurri IIC
Hurri IID

On the way are the

BF110C
ME-109E
Hurri I
Spit I

Will these A/C see use in the MA? Probably no more than the C202 with the exception of the BF110C which will see action because the dedicated Luftwabbles will fly it (The ME410 would have been a much better choice IMHO). The same thing with our JU-88. It has early war armament so it is easy meat and only gets flown for torpedo missions or by Luftweenies.

It's great that people want an early war plane set however more choices like the A6M2, P-40, F4F or Pe-2 will ensure that we don't see the J2M Raiden, ME410, KI-84, B-24, B-29, TU-2, T-34, M-4 Sherman, Pershing  or a list of other viable choices for the MA.

The next person who asked for an early war A/C should be made to fly it for a tour and see if you still like it.

Personally I think the prioriies in the MA right now are the

1. Japanese fighter set.<==Mid to late war
2. German Lang range bomber <==I don't know a thing about them.
3. Expansion of the Vehicle set to include the Sherman, T-34 and Perks like the King Tiger and Pershing.
4. B-24

[Ripsnort]

The Main is a Relaxed Realism arena. You won't see too many early war aircraft flying there..

The Scenario's, the CT is where these A/C will make their mark, and the high quality of pilots that can make some use of them in a historical environment.

[F4UDOA]

Maybe RIP,

But this small group of elite pilots you speaking about do not represent the majority of AH.

Most members do not take part in senarios. Most people never even go into the CT.  More people go to the TA and fly what they want than go to the CT and fly Spit I against BF109E. Just look at the arena numbers on any given day.

The question is what is the most bang for your buck. Just look at the kill stats for the last 5 tours. The numbers in the MA are close to 400 people on  busy night and virtually nobody is flying the early war A/C.

I would rather see an early war theater and a late war theater than the CT in it's current format were it gets almost no use vrs the MA which boarders on being over run.

In the mean time we getting a plane set that the vast majority of the members of AH will never even try.

[Vector]

F4UDOA is right. It's great to have early planes too, but they are rare in MA. What comes to CT, I've logged few times in there with Kronos, but problem is, in my flying times (6 pm GMT) normal numbers for the arenas are:
MA 150-250
CT 0-2
Don't have to think which one I choose. Also special events tends to be something like 2am or so.

This horse has beaten to death million times before, but I'd really like to try RPS. That way we could have early, mid and late wars. Well now I got dragged off the topic again, sry about that.

[Vortex]

I'm not at all adverse to early-war aircraft being added. Actually I'm all for it as I think it opens up a lot more options for the game. Certainly scenarios and what not are an example.

Another may be a second MA with an early war plane set only. I don't think that's something that makes much sense immediately. Down the road it might if there are sufficent numbers of people still playing and a diverse enough plane set. There's a lot of pre-'42 or '43 planes that would be a blast to have available if you put them in an environment where the '43+ thoroughbreds weren't there to dominate.

Insofar as spending time on GV's goes, well, I'm pretty bias here as I rarely use them. I think its a huge waste of time adding any more GV's than what's in the game already though. In the context of AH I just don't see one tank being all that different from another tank, short of in name at least. A 20mm flak would, but then I think field defense guns are sufficiently represented now. Just my biased view on them anyway.

Vortex

[Jester]

The way to correct this is to put in a "Rolling Plane Set" so the early birds are not matched against the late war birds. Before you can do this though you are going to have to flesh out the plane set a little. Very week in places.

Guys, someone is going to have to git their "Finger Out" and come up with some strike planes for the Axis Carriers. They are hanging out in the wind!:D

[J_A_B]

Only problem with RPS is there are quite a few people such as myself who like ONE plane (happens to be a late-war machine), and have utterly NO fun flying something else.  An RPS totally destroys the game for people such as myself.

The answer, I think, is to have 1 arena with a fixed planeset and a secod arena with an RPS.  Everyone is happy then.

J_A_B

[Ripsnort]

He said "RPS"

We've been over that subject many times in the past 2 1/2 years...most are against a WB-like RPS.

[Hooligan]

When I was at the con Hitech mentioned that separate early/late areas in a single arena might work.  Perhaps an experiment along these lines is coming.

Hooligan

[Gorf]

I Say bring on the early war aircraft in the MA.  Give me a P39D and I will show you some smoking Doras and Hogs.  In WarBirds my best record with a P39 is 19 P51-Ds, 5-Me 262s, 25 P47s, 34 190s.D-8s and D-9s, 11 Spitfires, 13 F4U s, 42 Me-109s , and 78 Me 110s. and 23 Zeke's.  That is 305 kills for my 204 deaths,  I say that was a pretty good ratio for a early war era plane.

Its all on the pilot.. not the plane.  I remeber a player in the Warbirds arena named BBGUn that got 15 kills in a Val before ditching... NO he was a talented pilot.


Cheers:)

[Widewing]

Originally posted by F4UDOA
Currently in AH we have the likes of the

C202
Hurri IIC
Hurri IID
(snipped)

Hey, I don't know about you guys, but my Spitfire was whacked by a Hurricane IID, who got me with those damn 40mm Vickers' with an insane long range 80-90 degree deflection shot. One in a million shot? Probably, but it only takes one hit from a 40mm round to ruin one's day. The thing was, I saw him way out there trying to stay alive, and I ignored him supposing there was no danger. Little did I know that this was one of tank killing Hurris, flown by some guy who needs to buy a lottery ticket tonight.

My best,

Widewing

[Tac]

I dont fly early war planes in the MA. Because there ARENT any.

Closest I have gotten to is flying the spitV (LOVE the 303 loadout.. pingpingpingpingping!) and the 202.

I will be flying the 110 a lot, mainly for jabo and just for the heck of it.

Give me the ju88 night fighter with some CANNONS in the nose and i'll fly it.. the ju88 can give any plane a damn hard time if they get into a dogfight.

[HoHun]

Hi everyone,

I think it's quite obvious that an RPS is the only sensible solution.

Early-war aircraft are only competitive within an early-war context, and even there, the performance differences of subsequent subvariants of the same type are pronounced.

WW2 air combat was based on a race of technology, and it's just that race of technology - and of tactics to keep up with technology - that I expect to see in a WW2 air combat game.

Jab, if you'd rise to the challenge, you'd find that regularly, early-war aircraft have a similar combination of strengths compared to their counterparts as selected late-war types have. Of course, there are differences - but that's what the challenge is about :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[J_A_B]

"Jab, if you'd rise to the challenge, you'd find that regularly, early-war aircraft have a similar combination of strengths compared to their counterparts as selected late-war types have. Of course, there are differences - but that's what the challenge is about :-) "


It's not that I "can't" fly the other airplanes, it's that I have no FUN flying them.  That doesn't just apply to early-war planes either; I like the FW-190D-9 about as much as I like the Spit 5 (which is to say I don't like it one bit).  I haven't flown a single PERK plane because I have no interest in them, although those planes would give me advantages I can only dream about in the P-51D.  The simple fact is if it isn't labeled "P-51D" then I won't have any fun at all, except maybe for the rare sortie now and then.  

It's not about the "challenge" at all.  Stick me in a Spit 5 versus 109F's and I'll do as well or better than I do now.  I know all the planes in AH pretty well and I can fly them all competently when I want to--the fact that I fly the P-51D is because I WANT to, not because I have to in order to kill stuff (indeed, I get far fewer kills in a 51 than I would in say a N1K2 or LA7).  It's about fun, and for me being forced to fly something I don't care about just isn't fun.  

I never even CONSIDERED subscribing to WarBirds, as good a game as it is, because of the RPS that limits the 51D to less than 2 weeks per month.  You can be dang sure I will quit AH the instant the 51D is no longer available 100% of the time.  The game would no longer interest me.

But I can understand that a lot of people may well like an RPS, and so that is why I recommend opening a second arena with a monthly RPS in place.  I wouldn't use it, but I'm sure a lot of others would and they deserve their fun, too.

J_A_B

[Sikboy]

While this wont help Jab, since he's a one plane guy (I don't know how reflective that mentality is, although I understand the resistence to the RPS), perhaps we can jack the ENY value of these planes up. Maybe instead of using an RPS, HTC should look at using the ENY numbers to make early war planes more appealing. This way JAB gets to keep is D Pony, and I get some sort of remuneration for populating the arena with unique and different vehicles.

When I first ready about perks, I just assumed that this was "other end" of the perk system. This way you get few of the uber planes, and maybe spark some interest in lesser able planes.

-Sikboy