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[midnight Target]

"Thank you midnight but you sound like an idot so that comforts me."

Hobodog....you have made my day.

[gavor]

Woo hoo! Its degenerating into abuse!

So dog, tell us all about your vast worldly experiences? When I was your age I thought homosexuals were the lowest form of human life. I was paranoid about them for years until I actually made some friends who are gay. Some I knew were gay from day one(either they told me or someone else did.) Some I didnt find out about for a while. I've only ever known one very openly gay guy, talked it, walked it and acted it. He was an OK guy too and he respected me and my straight outlook on life. On the flip side I've also met a gay guy who made outright offers to me, even though he knew I had a gf. I used some harsh language and made it clear he wasn't to approach me anymore. His behaviour was unacceptable.

The point im making is that over the years my bigoted opinion changed through experience. The real world is a lot different to the one you imagine or you hear about in church or wherever you form your unexperienced opinions from(dont flame me about the church thing, im not against religion).

Paedohpiles, as has been said, are different altogether. They prey on children. Their agenda is to hurt and defile innocents. I'm not sure how they can be associated with homosexuality. Sure, in history you'll find times where society considered paedophilia acceptable. If you look closer you'll find that these societies were considered decadent and mostly they dont exist anymore. Not only were they into paedophilia, they indulged in a whole range of sordid things that brought their society to new lows.
Yes homosexuality was accepted in Rome all those years back, but so was fruit. Does that mean we should shun fruit as well? Dont associate paedophilia and homosexuality, they are two entirely seperate things.

[Dinger]

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[Kieran]

No, they are not from the viewpoint of what causes the orientation. Is it inborn? Is it psychological? Is it environmental? Make up your mind. Saying they are not the same thing in this area is wrong- you can apply the same arguments to both.

So, if we determine pedophilia occurs through no fault of the afflicted, should we not then practice the tolerance that bin Laden so hates? (you just gotta love that train of thought!) After all, we are enlightened, we should understand they didn't choose to be that way, they just, well, are.

No, no, no, Kieran, those are completely different issues. Gays are gay because they are. Pedophiles are pedophiles because... because...?

Like it or not, Grun has a point. What is unacceptable today is mainstream tomorrow. When I was in elementary school, no boy would have been caught dead in a pink T-shirt for fear of being labeled "gay". 30 years later we have scenes like the one depicted above in public places. Pedophiles, the criminals of today may be the "misunderstood minority" tomorrow.

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SUPER SEXY FLANDERS!

[Gunthr]

Note that according to their lesson plan, if you "accept" someone's homosexuality, you are HOMOPHOBIC!

Direct quote: Acceptance - Still implies that there is something to accept. Characterized by such statements as, "You're not a lesbian to me, you're a person!" or "What you do in your own bed is your business." or "That's fine with me as long as you don't flaunt it."

Makes perfect sense to me.

"I accept black people...as long as they don't move into my neighborhood"

"I accept Jews, they are OK as long as they are dealing with money"

"Your not just another idiot to me, your a person"

"You can be a muslim as long as you don't flaunt it.

Try to see the connection there without me having to draw a freakin picture!

NOBODY WANTS TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL!

The classes suggested are to teach tolerance.........sheeeesh! Why is that bad?

I do have one thing to add though......"weiner dog in the chili bowl" now that was funny!  


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Tah Gut
Midnight Tahgut
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Tahgut, me thinks thou dost protest too much!

Seriously, You missed my point. The Glisten organization that is attempting to get in South Florida schools teaches that TOLERANCE of homosexuality is HOMOPHOBIC.  

Again, according to Glisten, TOLERANCE of homosexuality is HOMOPHOBIC. Think about that.

This organization is about ultimately gaining political power and about promotion of homosexuality - I'm not kidding.

If you see their classroom teaching program, its almost like you have to fellate a homosexual to prove you aren't homophobic.

Kids in middle school don't need to hear this. Not my kids.

Its my god given right and responsibility to have my opinion on this. Glisten would have you believe that I'm a homophobe and my opinon isn't valid because of it.

[Kieran]

What school was it recently that dropped- Mother's Day was it?- a school-sponsored event because the gays in the school felt it offended their children? It was posted here a few months ago, can't remember the thread exactly...

[gavor]

Whats your point though? I have a love of beer, is it inborn or psychological or environmental? Who knows! No one shuns me for loving beer, because beer is normal.

Once again, why are gays gay? Inborn, psychological etc? Who knows! But theres nothing wrong with being gay, from my point of view. You dont like it, well thats up to you. Who am i to tell you what to believe?

On the other hand, why are paedohpiles pike they are. Inborn etc blah blah?? Who knows! But it doesnt change the fact that its predatory, abusive and manipulative.

It doesnt matter WHY you are like you are. It matters how you act towards other people.

[Gunthr]

I read that too, Kieren. I forget which school it was. Yep, they dropped the recognition of Mothers Day because a gay organization complained that kids in a class making Mom's day cards with two gay men as parents would feel discriminated against. Its an outrage, is what it is. But frankly, I blame the parents for letting that stuff get out of hand.

By the way, I think the Glisten organization has a national agenda, so they may pop up even out there in the heartland where you are. Their tactics are high pressure, lies and manipulation, and they have attorneys who spearhead the program.

I just learned that after much debate, their program was not allowed in our county schools, thank goodness.