Stick Stirring, A Resurgent Problem?

[Hooligan]

Put Popeye in a "home"?  I believe the term is "Political re-education."  At last report Dago had him on a diet of rotting fish heads and set him to work digging a canal from Minneapolis St. Paul to Lake Michigan.  No doubt Popeye will not be the first nor last MOL to lose a few fingers and toes to frostbite in the pursuit of political reliablity.  OTOH it must be admitted that MOL makes an excellent training ground for future aces (those that get over the wire anyway).  IMHO xmab is quite a good stick; its a wonder what you can do with modern prosthetics.

Hooligan

[Hooligan]

"LLB is not a gamer."

Sorry pop .  When I said "deviant gamers" I meant "gamey deviants".

Hooligan

[Tjay]

Originally posted by Don
>>>I enjoy AH a lot,and I won't let a few chislers ruin my fun.They are the ones that have to look in the mirror. <<<

Chances are they will have rigged their mirrors too

'Fraid some people regard even 'serious' flight sims like AH as just a game where anything goes as long as you win. And some, of course, don't know (and wouldn't care if they did) that stick stirring like that in RL would:
1. Be impossible at high speed because of the physical effort required to move the controls .
2. Result in tearing the wings off or blacking yourself out at lower speeds.
3. If neither of the above apply, would result in rapid loss of airspeed and giving the fight to the oponent.
It would be nice if AH could pick up such inputs and penalise the player appropriately but that's asking a bit much, I guess.

[K West]

"Deviancy is requirement #1 to even be considered for our squad  "

Absolutely

  Westy

[popeye]

Aye, Xmab, we knew him well.  When last we saw him he was coloring in "areas" on a map, and mumbling something about a "bloody blue coffin".

[Beegerite]

Whaaaaaaaat?

Originally posted by Vermillion
Its typically accomplished by moving your joystick rapidly in a circular motion similar to the way you stir a bowl of soup, and usually is accompanied by rapid rudder movements side to side.  In real life, it would do nothing to the aircrafts flight path and be a nonfactor

 

I can guarantee you that if you stick stirr or stirr stick or whatever in a real aircraft you're going to know it and it could even kill you e.g. there is a strong suspicion that erratic pilot input caused the crash of AA587  Now, getting back to real life every account of evasive maneuvers by fighter pilots involves crazy bellybutton maneuvers like you describe e.g. Hartman used a cross controlled technique to point the aircraft noce in one direction while letting the aircraft fly in another.  Just the other night I heard Don Blakelee P51 Ace describe evading 109s by doing snap rolls (full down elevator, full left or right stick movement and opposite rudder all done "fast".   Really a shame that if one does what one would do in real life the damn net is going to show it as an attempt at cheating.  I'm getting rapidly discouraged here.

Beeg

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Hooligan


Sorry pop .  When I said "deviant gamers" I meant "gamey deviants".

Hooligan

Thanks Hooligan, just was wonderin'

[Vermillion]

Um Sorry Beeg, but we're discussing totally different things.

With a computer joystick, you have no stick forces to deal with and can move the control surfaces instantaneously, plus even the AT-6 Texan I flew had considerable inertia (imagine how much more a loaded P51 or P47 would weigh) compared to what we fly.

When I tried to "stickstir" in it, it barely made the plane wobble.

Actually cross control manuevers are very effective in AH, and are realistic. In fact a "bunt" the Hartmann manuever your discussing is one of my favorites.

But we're discussing totally different things.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
You guys should read Pyros post.  The servers at tpl are going to be moved back here once the new pipes are in.  They are ordered and we are working as fast as we can to get them up.

I beleive this will cure most connect issues, as we seem to have had good luck before HTC had to move to tpl.

Just hang in there, it will get better.  If it doesn't, then you can drag me out into the yard, ...tar and feather me, and feed me to the FDB's

mmmmmm, skuuuuzzyyyy wiiiinnngggsss

[Hangtime]

Jeeze... why we tip-toeing around this issue??

Stick stirring is BACK, enhanced by server troubles (WHEN is this gonna be fixed???) and now we got a whole buncha folks here from 'other places' where stick stirring was defensive manuver numbah fediddlein ONE. Whelp, now they are here in droves... and so is stick stirring.



Dweebery.. gone ramapant!

HTC, PLEASE, restore the anti-stick stir code!

thanks..

[Krusher]

I never saw that message before the last patch, now I see it two or three times a night.

I AM NOT ! stirring my stick.

I have asked about this on the board and been told its a Gameport problem and there are four possible solutions.

Stick adjustment in deadbands and dampeners... tried it .. didnt work
New sound card.. havnt tried that yet.
New dedicated game port.. havnt tried that yet.
or a USB joystick.. I have one otw.

[Beegerite]

Only stick stirring I've ever done caused my eyesight to wane and this is why the enemy is mostly on my 6
Beeg

[Mayhem]

Ive seen some sinister warps out there but what every one discribes as stick stirring seems to be a spitfire stall tactict to blow your shots and force an overshoot. Didn't know it was a cheat seemed to be just part of a dweeb ride. the only planes ive seen do it are dweebmobiles biult on turning and mostly by dedicated dweebfire pilots. then again I only fly in the HTH arena's till we get good CT arena's (ETO/PTO) with a better plane set and the MA perk system dies.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Skuzzy

Just hang in there, it will get better.  If it doesn't, then you can drag me out into the yard, ...tar and feather me, and feed me to the FDB's

....careful bud.  Bring the FDB's to this BBQ and your more likely to get raped than eaten, or at least raped first.  

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Beegerite
Whaaaaaaaat?

 

I can guarantee you that if you stick stirr or stirr stick or whatever in a real aircraft you're going to know it and it could even kill you e.g. there is a strong suspicion that erratic pilot input caused the crash of AA587  Now, getting back to real life every account of evasive maneuvers by fighter pilots involves crazy bellybutton maneuvers like you describe e.g. Hartman used a cross controlled technique to point the aircraft noce in one direction while letting the aircraft fly in another.  Just the other night I heard Don Blakelee P51 Ace describe evading 109s by doing snap rolls (full down elevator, full left or right stick movement and opposite rudder all done "fast".   Really a shame that if one does what one would do in real life the damn net is going to show it as an attempt at cheating.  I'm getting rapidly discouraged here.

Beeg

There's a big difference between "wild" but controlled manuever and joslting your joystick all over the place knowing it will make you look like a complete moron in the game ...errr....knowing it will produce an effect that is not consistent with fair gameplay.