Things that make you go HMMMM.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by weazel



Only if shrub and Nazicroft get their way and block public access to his administrations documents.

What was so great about the drug dealing scum?

Was it his under the table deals with a known terrorist state?

Maybe his propping up that pineapple faced buffons regime?

How about sending the Marines into Beirut on a mission with no real objective and when they got blown to hell turning tail and running like the rat that he is?

Allowing Iranian sponsored terrorists to kidnap and assasinate the CIA station chief in Beirut w/o any response?

Or something to be REAL proud of, bombing children in Libya to "send a message"?

As far as criminals go Raygun and Shrub Sr make Nixon or Clinton look like boy scouts.

Yep, the republican party has a lot to answer for, to bad they're too cowardly to allow their mistakes/crimes to come into the public domain.

How you can call that rat diddly scum "great" is beyond me.

haha...you have absolutely no idea what your talking about and are relying totally on what someone else TOLD you to believe.  Very entertaining weaz...more, please

[weazel]

Originally posted by Tumor


haha...you have absolutely no idea what your talking about and are relying totally on what someone else TOLD you to believe.  Very entertaining weaz...more, please
Just more left wing Democrat sponsored liberal drivel designed to do nothing more than bring discredit on the (Republican) Office of the President of the United States. These people will dig for any tidbit of information they can slew thier direction and make the whole thing look terribly bad. Sorry guys but you'll have to dig allot deeper. Post this executive order for people to read rather than rely on some liberal doofus and his/her idea of what it means.

Btw, Reagan is already one of the greatest presidents the U.S. has ever had. So sorry...go sit in the corner and moan about it lol.

I feel sorry for you.

Are you too lazy to look for the info yourself?  

You might try watching the news or even READING the newspaper.

I recall the Reagan years very well, I served in the Army during his criminal regime, where were you during those years? Still toejamting green I'll wager.

How about the rampant unemployment and budget deficit during his tenure?

Tell me what that scum did that makes him great.

Since you can't answer I'll just lump you in with the rest of the "conservative" lemmings of this country, anything that goes against the drivel the party spouts you just ignore or use the phrase "liberal leftist" to hide behind.

So go ahead, sit back and watch 226 years of American law and traditions be dismantled by a temporary occupant of the White House and the scum he appointed as AG.

Any true patriot should be appalled at what is happening to our government, a pox on both their houses..Demo and Ratpubs alike.

Poor pathetic little lemmings, one day you will wake up...hopefully it won't be too late.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by weazel
anything that goes against the drivel the party spouts you just ignore or use the phrase "liberal leftist" to hide behind.

Is that anything like ignoring them and using the phrase "conservative lemmings"?

[weazel]

What am I ignoring thrawn?

I'm still waiting on one of the lemmings to answer what made that criminal great.

You DO know what lemmings are dont you?

I'll give you a clue, they blindly follow the leader over a precipice to their doom.

So far I haven't seen a reasonable response from any of them in regards to EO 13233, just shreiks about liberal leftists....typical.

A fitting analogy IMO.

[Thrawn]

If I was a conservative coming into this post, I'd already have my back up.  Why?  Based on your vindictiveness in past posts.  I wouldn't think that you wanted an honest, fair debate.  Just another flame war.

It seems to me,  that all you want to do is scream, and yell in their faces.  That's not going to do toejam, except maybe help to vent your feelings about conservatives.  Then you get surprised when they don't put up with it?

[weazel]

Gee thrawn, how many times have you been pig piled by the so called "conservatives" on this board, or been called names just because you don't adhere to they're twisted political view points?

I'm not the type to take roadkill from anyone and will dish back as much as I recieve. Or are you saying I should be "PC" to suit them? Not bloody likely to happen.

Here ya go Tumor, obviously I don't know what I'm talking about.  

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13233

The Raping of the US Constitution

and:

More butt slamming by the shrub

Reagan and Beirut:

Who cares? They're JUST Marines.

And:

Great President or lying scum?


I especially enjoyed this line, it has been dusted off for reuse by the current regime.......

9/26/84
President Reagan claims the latest Beirut bombing is the fault of Jimmy Carter, who he said
"presided over the destruction of our intelligence capability."
Carter responds that Reagan tends "to blame his every mistake and failure on me and others
who served before him."

A lie from the "hero", we had to buy our own uniforms when the BDU was phased into service.


"a good bit of the defense budget goes for food and wardrobe", becoming the first US President
to so refer to military uniforms"

Oops, one that got away in 1984, I guess we can partially blame the "great" Ronald Reagan for 9/11.

Reagan fumbles, America takes the hit.

Reagan and Panama:

I don't need to post links to know that Reagan supported Noriegas regime, I had the dubious honor of
guarding pineapple faces personal C-130 during his visits to Ft Benning,Ga in 1981/82.

Reagan and Libya:

Awwww...those kids were just towel heads

Libya: Along with Nicaragua, Ronald Reagan's manic obsession, culminating in the April 1986 bombing which took the lives of about 37 people, all civilians but one, and wounded some 93 others. The dead included Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi's young adopted daughter; his other seven children and his wife were hospitalized. "Our evidence is direct, it is precise, it is irrefutable," announced the President of the United States in explaining that the bombing was in retaliation for the Libyan bombing nine days earlier of a West Berlin nightclub frequented by American servicemen which killed one soldier and injured many other soldiers and civilians. The evidence of Libyan culpability in the Berlin bombing, how ever, was never directly or precisely presented to the world.

Yeah....a REAL hero and all around great president, now all I need to do is wait for the inevitable post saying
these links prove nothing and I'm a leftist liberal digging for dirt.

Gee...I wonder why the shrub wants to squash access to RayGunz presidential records?

[Tumor]

Originally posted by weazel


I feel sorry for you.

Are you too lazy to look for the info yourself?  

Why? I trust President Bush far more than any other toejambag president we've had in the last 8 years.  I'm very happy with his performance so far.

You might try watching the news or even READING the newspaper.

Uhhhm...I watch and read more news in a single 8hr day than you do in a full week.  I'll even go so far as to wager a paycheck on that.

I recall the Reagan years very well, I served in the Army during his criminal regime, where were you during those years? Still toejamting green I'll wager.

Ahem....during the last two years of his presidency, I was toejamting blue in the USAF thankyouverymuch.

How about the rampant unemployment and budget deficit during his tenure?

Same old tune.  Democrats across the board set up a bad economy and handed it off to a Republican "regime" as you so eloquently put it.  Hmmm....it's happening right now.  Do you honestly think a president who's been in office less than a year can possibly have this much a negative effect on our economy?  Economies run in cycles my friend.  Clintons so called wonderful economy was set up by ..guess who, Reagan and Bush #1.  We are seeing only the beginning of whats going to be a very long slump in our economy set up by guess who?  Hey try this one since you are so adept at who dicks up an economy.  Look up how many dollars that complete waste of oxygen CLINTON had printed in the United States.  Then compare that to any other time in history.  THEN lecture me on what happens when massive amounts of money are printed with nothing solid to back it up.  .....I'm waiting.

Tell me what that scum did that makes him great.

Being the biggest player in ending the cold war is enough for me....oh gosh hold on, maybe Carter did that (LOL).  Or I suppose your going to tell me it was all Gorby?  Now THAT wouldn't suprise me in the least.  How about the INF treaty?  Oh by the way, was Reagan impeached for your accusations?  Do I blame ANYONE for the "I don't recall answers?...hell no.  Why, Democrats thats why.  I know far more about the Iran-Contra affair than you will ever dream of knowing, please don't lecture me, you can't possibly have anything near the facts.

Since you can't answer I'll just lump you in with the rest of the "conservative" lemmings of this country, anything that goes against the drivel the party spouts you just ignore or use the phrase "liberal leftist" to hide behind.

Well, I did answer.  Conservative?  Proud of it.  Lemming...sticks and stones lol.  I make my own choices thankyou.

So go ahead, sit back and watch 226 years of American law and traditions be dismantled by a temporary occupant of the White House and the scum he appointed as AG.

We shall see, don't you think?

Any true patriot should be appalled at what is happening to our government, a pox on both their houses..Demo and Ratpubs alike.

As a true patriot, who is still serving this great nation (are you?) I must say I spent 8 years being appalled.  8 years going to work knowing some amazinhunk in the WhiteHouse who I HAD to call boss was going to bed every night and giggleing at how good a job he was doing a F***ING UP the Military.  I'm very happy NOW, and I like it.

Poor pathetic little lemmings, one day you will wake up...hopefully it won't be too late.

...It might be too late but it WILL be a frozen day in hell.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Thrawn
If I was a conservative coming into this post, I'd already have my back up.  Why?  Based on your vindictiveness in past posts.  I wouldn't think that you wanted an honest, fair debate.  Just another flame war.

It seems to me,  that all you want to do is scream, and yell in their faces.  That's not going to do toejam, except maybe help to vent your feelings about conservatives.  Then you get surprised when they don't put up with it?

Methinks you are correct thrawn.  

[Tumor]

Originally posted by weazel
Gee thrawn, how many times have you been pig piled by the so called "conservatives" on this board, or been called names just because you don't adhere to they're twisted political view points?

I'm not the type to take roadkill from anyone and will dish back as much as I recieve. Or are you saying I should be "PC" to suit them? Not bloody likely to happen.

Here ya go Tumor, obviously I don't know what I'm talking about.  

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13233

The Raping of the US Constitution

and:

More butt slamming by the shrub

Reagan and Beirut:

Who cares? They're JUST Marines.

And:

Great President or lying scum?


I especially enjoyed this line, it has been dusted off for reuse by the current regime.......

9/26/84
President Reagan claims the latest Beirut bombing is the fault of Jimmy Carter, who he said
"presided over the destruction of our intelligence capability."
Carter responds that Reagan tends "to blame his every mistake and failure on me and others
who served before him."

A lie from the "hero", we had to buy our own uniforms when the BDU was phased into service.


"a good bit of the defense budget goes for food and wardrobe", becoming the first US President
to so refer to military uniforms"

Oops, one that got away in 1984, I guess we can partially blame the "great" Ronald Reagan for 9/11.

Reagan fumbles, America takes the hit.

Reagan and Panama:

I don't need to post links to know that Reagan supported Noriegas regime, I had the dubious honor of
guarding pineapple faces personal C-130 during his visits to Ft Benning,Ga in 1981/82.

Reagan and Libya:

Awwww...those kids were just towel heads

Libya: Along with Nicaragua, Ronald Reagan's manic obsession, culminating in the April 1986 bombing which took the lives of about 37 people, all civilians but one, and wounded some 93 others. The dead included Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi's young adopted daughter; his other seven children and his wife were hospitalized. "Our evidence is direct, it is precise, it is irrefutable," announced the President of the United States in explaining that the bombing was in retaliation for the Libyan bombing nine days earlier of a West Berlin nightclub frequented by American servicemen which killed one soldier and injured many other soldiers and civilians. The evidence of Libyan culpability in the Berlin bombing, how ever, was never directly or precisely presented to the world.

Yeah....a REAL hero and all around great president, now all I need to do is wait for the inevitable post saying
these links prove nothing and I'm a leftist liberal digging for dirt.

Gee...I wonder why the shrub wants to squash access to RayGunz presidential records?  

LOL, I don't see a problem  Besides, think ahead.  Limiting access to presidential records NOW will damn sure keep Clintons butt out of the sling in the future lol.  You know, in the interest of national security, some things don't need to be released.  What the hell difference does it make NOW what happened in the 80's (which is what your getting at).  I really think your just pissed at missing an opportunity to even LOOK for dirt on Republicans.

The New York Times??  And you call ME a Lemming?  You have GOT to be kidding.  Not one link you posted past the actual documents involved are anything more than left wing agenda oriented...to the negative  (Hey you said it, not me).  Show me some facts.

...oh and by the way, I do have a lot of respect for Carter, not for his presidency but for who and what he is.  And as for Billy boy destroying our intelligence capabilities?....All I can say is that the facts speak for themselves.

[Sandman]

What an absolutely irrelevant flame war. Clinton's abuse of power doesn't make Bush a good president.

Boys, can you answer the question?

How can a democratic people have confidence in elected officials who hide the records of their actions from public view?

Sounds like a bipartisan question to me.

[Kieran]

Thrawn is right. Going on the offensive with the original post might have been construed as another attack by Weazel, who is known to dislike this Republican administration. Maybe. I think his worst crime is giving us an opinion at the end of the article, but hey, it's an opinion.

Rip responds with a short, "yeah, whatever" which though incocuous sent Weazel on to new heights.

Both sides are right. It isn't a good thing necessarily to close the door to public record because it is the only way for us to verify or dispel our suspicions. OTOH, Tumor is right that sometimes in the interests of national security things must be kept from us. To deny this is naive.

So, there is really not a great deal of anything to discuss. Carter was kind of a dick. Reagan was in some ways a dick. Bush Sr. was in some ways a dick. Clinton was definitely a dick. Bush Jr. is probably just a little dick so far, but who knows, he may become the biggest dick of all. Does that cover it all?

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Kieran
Thrawn is right. Going on the offensive with the original post might have been construed as another attack by Weazel, who is known to dislike this Republican administration. Maybe. I think his worst crime is giving us an opinion at the end of the article, but hey, it's an opinion.

Rip responds with a short, "yeah, whatever" which though incocuous sent Weazel on to new heights.

Both sides are right. It isn't a good thing necessarily to close the door to public record because it is the only way for us to verify or dispel our suspicions. OTOH, Tumor is right that sometimes in the interests of national security things must be kept from us. To deny this is naive.

So, there is really not a great deal of anything to discuss. Carter was kind of a dick. Reagan was in some ways a dick. Bush Sr. was in some ways a dick. Clinton was definitely a dick. Bush Jr. is probably just a little dick so far, but who knows, he may become the biggest dick of all. Does that cover it all?

Oh for cod's sake.  All politicians are dicks! lol But I must take this opportunity to disagree with you.  Jimmy Carter is not and was not a dick.  Jimmy Carter just happens to be the nicest U.S. President in recent History.  I think his tendency to be nice is actually what kept him from possibly being the greatest president n the history of the United States.....that and being a Democrat lol.  Seriously though.  Carter unfortunately became a Democrat when Democrats were without doubt the party with the best interests of the United States in mind.  Carter grew up with that, just like most of our grandparents.  Unfortunately, sometime between JFK and Jimmy Carter's respective terms in office, the Democrats became limp wristed selfish socialist oriented jackballs who figure they know whats best for you and I, want to take more and more of our money and push every crappy-assed idea that comes along into law.  No...I don't have much respect for the Democrats agenda or what they stand for.  I do NOT want to become a ward of the state.  Further, I do not want to SUPPORT "wards of the state" OR politicians with my hard earned tax dollars.  I do NOT think we need more, let alone BIGGER government (Big Brother).  I truly feel sorry for some of the older folks living today who are still living in the past.  

Now, let me make a perfect example.  My grandfather is a STAUNCH Democrat (80).  He has very high morals (wierd considering he's never been in a church and isn't even sure there is a god), the most dedicated work ethic you could ever imagine and thinks welfare should be a crime.  He's against abortion wholeheartedly.  He gets mad as a wet hen every time his taxes get raised.  He becomes exceptionally agitated when he hear's of people burning the flag. Gets even more upset when medicare etc goes up.  He's got more firearms than most people I know and turns red when someone mentions gun control.  ....I could go on all day.  The worst part is when I point out to him the inconsistencies with his beliefs and the tards he votes for...he gets pissed!  

Democrats used to be a good thing.  The party has changed much for the worse.  Today?  They just push too much socialism on us and THAT is why I don't understand why anyone would want to associate with them.  Republicans have thier own "bad side" too, but to be honest, I just go with the lesser of two evils.

[Leslie]

Well written Tumor.

Les:cool:

[Creamo]

Good grief weazel. If your that mad or surprised you found something like that someone wrote bad about a President...

All that energy, and none of it could be focused on a Rental Truck and a map out of Tulsa?

I ain't Miss Cleo, but I see the source of your angst.

[Keez]

Originally posted by Tumor
Just more left wing Democrat sponsored liberal drivel designed to do nothing more than bring discredit on the (Republican) Office of the President of the United States.  These people will dig for any tidbit of information they can slew thier direction and make the whole thing look terribly bad.  Sorry guys but you'll have to dig allot deeper.

I cant believe I read that. When someone finds out that a president has done something dumb, inresponsible, stupid, dangerous, or whatever, you silly Americans always do the same.

The people who voted for the president say that the info comes from the other side, and that it is just meant to make the president look bad.
The people who didnt vote for the guy jump up and down on tables screaming what went wrong.
You Amewicans awe so cute

Now my point of view as a journalist...

The media is often referred to as the guardian of democracy (among other things which I wont mention here ). Reporters, beeing the leeches that we are, always watch every step of every official, hoping that he falls so we have a new item for prime time tv.

This keeps the government in line, the public always knows what the government is doing and if the public doesnt like it, they protest. THIS IS WHAT SEPPERATES US FROM STATES LIKE AFGHANISTAN where people have no say, and any comment on the people leading the country is punished by death or severe butt spanking.

Now what Bush does with that act is limiting the field of view for the media and other researchers, so they can do what they want. Presidents can now not be held accountable for their acts. That is a dangerous thing, as it takes us one step closer to the people you Americans were at war with. Or are at war with, I dont know.

Any person that actually literally says "I think it's a good thing Bush is doing".... well I dont know what to say, I just cant imagine it.