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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2002, 05:29:07 PM »
Point goes to Thrawn.

Excellent riposte.

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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2002, 07:42:54 PM »
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Point goes to Thrawn.

Excellent riposte.


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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2002, 12:56:27 AM »
Child molestation thing goes to show that there's little in the world that is entirely black and white.

Was wondering: Somali-Americans have complained about this film. They feel it portrays them as gutless murderers hiding behind women and children: people with no morals who kill for fun.

Considering the recent history or Africa, I don't think it is entirely unjustified to say that there is a proportionally large number of murderers and cowardly thugs that should be executed at sight, but I can see it from their POV. Must be irritating to have guilt by association from these chaps.

On the other hand, the book was very clear and made a clear cut distinction between the murderous limb-chopping thieving thugs with guns and the general population - who (and this we hear very little about) very much appreciated the effort of the US.

I think the US should have stayed a bit longer. That warlord had just lost maybe 1000 of his troops. He'd known that if a handful of men, greatly outnumbered and running out of ammo, fighting from a burning wreck could take out 1000 of his 'finest', they could take out the rest as well. I bet he'd be more willing to negotiate the next time.

The West have a responsibility to Africa. We did colonize and opress the African people. Yet I have this sense that the current political instability and ethnic murders (hutus and tutsi's, anyone?) is the result of their own squabbling: that the corruption of Africans is what is leading to instability, and with that, a hard time trying to attract investors. The question is: how much have the West caused, and how can it repay it? How much have the corrupt Africans caused - and genocide can never be repaid....

I dunno. I need to learn more about the African situation. Just general thoughts with little aim and even less precision.

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2002, 12:39:31 AM »
I saw it tonight. It was a powerful movie. Many women stayed in their seats wiping their eyes when the lights came on after they scrolled the list of names of the men who were killed. Sad situation there. I took my wife with me and she got into the movie too. I think movies like this are important to help "educate" the average citizens (like my wife) who would have had no idea what went on over there. I think the first ten minutes of the movie really helped give a short education as to why, where,when it happened.

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2002, 03:32:33 PM »
Saw it last night. Probably the best war movie I have ever seen.
Was the end part about the convoy leaving the troops to jog through the city accurate?

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2002, 03:37:51 PM »
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Saw it last night. Probably the best war movie I have ever seen.
Was the end part about the convoy leaving the troops to jog through the city accurate?



yes, the humvees sped away from the scene and the dudes had to run like a mile to the soccer stadium.  On the History Channel show last Monday, one of the soldiers they interviewed said he was thinking "great here I am running away,  we could have done this yesterday"  They all made it out though :)

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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2002, 05:50:27 AM »
If you get a chance to watch the History Channel show on it (2 hours) do so.

They interview participants on both sides as well as the author of the book. Pretty well done in my opinion.

...and casualty estimates from various sources range from 1000-10,000 DEAD Somalis. Do a web search and pick your poison. I haven't seen one as low as 500 yet though.
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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2002, 11:01:14 AM »
One thing that really impressed me was the two Delta Force guys who volunteered to get off their chopper and try to protect the second downed Blackhawk. They did their best to keep the mob at bay but ended up paying for it with their lives. Weren't they the first to be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor since Vietnam? Those guys had balls of steel. I've never been in combat (never been in Armed forces for that matter) I can only imagine the fear that they must have felt as they realized the mob was going to get them.

I guess guys toad, easymo, and hang can relate to it, being in combat in the 'nam. Thankfully, I can only imagine it.

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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2002, 03:13:25 PM »
Yes the two Delta snipers, Gordon and Shugart, won the MoH posthumously.  I was very pleased that their actions were portrayed accurately in the movie.  That part of the film was exactly how Durant and the helicopter crew described it.  They even had the correct weapons.  Take good care of them Lord.

One thing I wish they would have done was give credit to the Navy and Air Force personnel.  The guys who roped out of the helicopter at the first crash site (where the Rangers were), those were Air Force PJ's.  And some of the troops in the Humvee convoy were part of SEAL Team 6.  Those guys did just as much as the Rangers and Delta but they don't get any credit in the film.

Another thing people should know is that a lot of the helicopters in the movie were flown by the pilots who flew the real mission.  The Little Bird that landed in the street, with the pilot firing the MP-5 out the window - that was the guy who did it in the real event.

One other thing that the nerd in me missed was the Mk. 19 grenade launchers on the Humvees.  In the movie they all had "Ma Deuce" but in the real event it was about half M2 and half Mk. 19.
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2002, 03:22:36 PM »
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Yes the two Delta snipers, Gordon and Shugart, won the MoH posthumously.  I was very pleased that their actions were portrayed very exactly in the movie.  They even had the correct weapons.  Take good care of them Lord.



 At the reception at the White House,  didn't one of their fathers refuse to shake Clinton's hand and told him he wasn't fit to be the Commander in Chief?

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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2002, 03:35:44 PM »
That was Shugart's dad.

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2002, 03:43:38 PM »
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One thing I wish they would have done was give credit to the Navy and Air Force personnel.  The guys who roped out of the helicopter at the first crash site (where the Rangers were), those were Air Force PJ's.  And some of the troops in the Humvee convoy were part of SEAL Team 6.  Those guys did just as much as the Rangers and Delta but they don't get any credit in the film.


One of the guys in the book who I was incredibly impressed by was MSgt. Tim Wilkinson, the Air Force PJ who braved enemy fire the entire time to give medical attention to the wounded.  He won the Air Force Cross for his actions there.  I read that he retired last year.

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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2002, 03:55:46 PM »
Just a minor Hijack.

Last year there was a reunion of MoH winners held here in my Home Town. Well actually at the Veterans Cemetery and the nearby Air Museum. One of the activities was a reception at the Museum that my boss got to go to, but I didn't . I believe there were about 80 of the surviving MoH winners at the reception. Many of their stories were published in the local paper, and some are so incredible you wonder why more movies haven't been made.
Anyway, my boss who has met many celebrities was in awe the entire reception, and so was everyone else. He said all the attendees just walked around grinning stupidly and shaking hands with the heros. The amazing thing to me was that the MoH winners were so willing to talk about the events that lead to their awards.

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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2002, 12:38:22 AM »
PUNT
went to this again.
Still the best war movie I have ever seen.
If you havent seen this see it on the big screen.

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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2002, 05:15:06 PM »
Just saw the movie... damn I'm happy I was born & live in a western country...
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