Author Topic: Reverse the perk system! (Read 380 times)

Tjay · « **on:** January 19, 2002, 01:48:23 PM »

I suggest that the perk system works the wrong way. The best pilots get the best planes and thus become invincible. It's when you are starting that you need the best plane.

I suggest that as a player's skill improves and his/her fighter K/D ratio increases, the best planes become progressively UNAVAILABLE. And similarly, the reverse. Then peeps like me would know that if we saw a 202 coming for us it had to be Fariz or Whels or someone like that - and use our Tiffie to run like hell

Now you might say this would remove the incentive to improve. But that could be addressed by a change to the scoring system (perhaps via a big enhancement of the ENY factors) so that the real aces - those who can rack up kills even when flying a relatively poor plane - would still come out on top.

Comments?

Creamo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2002, 01:57:23 PM »

Take from people that achieved something through hard work and skill, and give to those who didn't and don't.

I bet your a Democrat, lol.

Tjay · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2002, 02:11:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Creamo
Take from people that achieved something through hard work and skill, and give to those who didn't and don't.

I bet your a Democrat, lol.

More a rabid communist, really. But then your modern communist is a bit right wing for me.

I'm sure lots of people will support your point. But didn't someone quite famous say (roughly): 'Unto those who have not, much will be given, and from those that have, it shall be taken away.'

This system, given a new scoring system, would still result in the best pilots coming out on top, 'cos a kill in a Tempest or 262 wouldn't count for much, whereas downing an La7 in a Hurricane (for example) would get you bags of points.

Don't worry, I know it won't happen.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2002, 02:59:14 PM »

The current system is not fair and favors better/more experienced pilots.
I think that planes that are now perked should be available to anyone, anytime, for free. But, they should be available only at 2nd line bases, so that whoever wants to fly them must pay for them by flying an extra 25+ miles to the fight. Perhaps the 262 should only be available 2 bases behind the front.

eskimo

Vector · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2002, 03:12:01 PM »

Eskimo, that sounds pretty good system! That should be taken account when searching different ways to improve MA.

How about early war planes nearest field, mid war planes 2nd nearest and late war planes 3rd nearest field to nme lines?

NUTTZ · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2002, 03:22:23 PM »

I'd have to agree with Creamo here. Also didn't they WANT the best pilots who proved their flying skills in the BEST airplane?

I'm sure the cutting edge planes did not go to the trainees.

What Should happen is when you open an account you should be given a base number of free perk points to start from, and YOU choose your way of Using or losing them.

NUTTZ

Zigrat · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2002, 04:10:01 PM »

wow a system that favors pilots with talent and experience. so corrupt. i think the nba should adjust its rules so i can compete with michael jordan. i wanna be good at basketball too. since i suck he should have to wear 200 lbs of metal when he plays to take the "air" out of him.

Pongo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2002, 04:18:09 PM »

I always seem to see the top pilots in what I always see them in
109g6s, hellcats, spit vs, P38s, P51s, P47s
Is there some perception out there that the top pilots live in perk planes...I think that is mistaken.

Spatula · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2002, 04:19:01 PM »

I gunna agree with creamo on this one (cant beleive i said that).

The current system attempts to limit the number of arena-unbalancing planes by only allowing a select few flying it. It is trying to balance the plane-set.
Your proposal is trying to balance the player's skill levels by giving better planes to those who arent as skilled as some. But skill level can be balanced by practice and self-improvement, balancing planes is not as easy.

Both systems are trying to even different aspects of game play out.

Consider this. If your system was implemented, then, you would have to fall below some sort of skill level (not sure how that would be determined) in order to be able to fly a perk plane. So tell me again why people should even bother to try improve their abilities??? what incentive do they have? Im sorry, but all this would promote is low skill level arena. Im against that...

Now consider whats in place. We can all get perk planes if we try hard enough and improve our skills to a level where we can go up get 3-4 kills and LAND the sortie to get the perks. 70 points aint that much if your determined. Its an incentive to get better, and incentive to improve pilot skill (for all).

Wotan · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2002, 05:00:30 PM »

it doesn't favor any one

its simple fly plane with a hi eny value and kill planes with a lo eny value.

Gettin kills aint hard in a packed arena...........

This has been whined to death

No one guarranteed you a right to fly perk planes.

They are perked to keep them rare. It works

If you care about flying perk planes do what is necessary to earn the most perks.

Get out of the la7 spits niki and p51s.

If ya dont care about perk planes then it shouldn't matter.

Time online and experience are only a small part of perks.

Get in a 205 head to the nearest furball pick out a niki and kill it. Repeat as necessary and your operks will shoot through the roof.

I have gotten perk runs in 205 and g2 numerous times between 40 and 50. quite regularly in the 20s and on average about 12 a sortie.

la7 eny value 15
p51 eny value 18
niki eny value 10
spit ix eny value 13

These are the planes you wanna kill

205 eny value 40

205 kills 1 niki 40/10=4.00 perks even if ya die right afterward.

land it multiply by 1.25 then you get 5 perks fer 1 kill

kill 3 nikis 12 perks even if ya die

land it get 15 perks......

Thats how it works it aint hard quit whining

eskimo2 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2002, 05:03:47 PM »

Making late-war planes available only at remote bases would also balance the plane-set. No one would be favored.
Yes, in RL the more experienced pilots would get the better planes. But this is not real-life, it is a game. As customers, we are all equal.
I am mostly concerned about retaining newbies. I fear that many newbies do not stick around very long. The new folks need to feel that the game is fair. Then they will stick around and we can all gang-bang them.

Personally I would rather fly an obsolete plane in an arena with a bunch newbies flying late-war-hot-rods than face an arena of old-timers, with everyone flying uber-planes.

eskimo

pimpjoe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2002, 07:18:16 PM »

takes me about 3 days to fly a tempest if i want to. its not hard

leave the perk system as it is

NUTTZ · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2002, 08:35:56 PM »

So why penalize the vets who have mastered the game and been here since day one?

You wanna succeed, EARN IT!
Like i said giving new players a base of perk points for their choosing would be ok, but to penilize people who been playing and paying, and earning their perkies is just not the way to go IMO.

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by eskimo2
Making late-war planes available only at remote bases would also balance the plane-set. No one would be favored.
Yes, in RL the more experienced pilots would get the better planes. But this is not real-life, it is a game. As customers, we are all equal.
I am mostly concerned about retaining newbies. I fear that many newbies do not stick around very long. The new folks need to feel that the game is fair. Then they will stick around and we can all gang-bang them.
Personally I would rather fly an obsolete plane in an arena with a bunch newbies flying late-war-hot-rods than face an arena of old-timers, with everyone flying uber-planes.

eskimo

eskimo2 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2002, 09:21:48 PM »

Nuttz;
I don't see how making late-war planes available only at remote bases would penalize vets...
The cost would be the same for all: fly another 25 miles.

"You wanna succeed, EARN IT! "

I have over 5000 fighter perk points... I earned em, so what?
I still would rather fly the 109F-4, 109G-2 and the A6M over perk rides.

eskimo

Tuck · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2002, 09:38:27 PM »

i knew this was gonna be a dud.

i was even more assured that it was a dud when i realized that the author was not only a self proclaimed left winger, but one that's infected with ebonics (see the word "peep" in original post) as well.

what's our public education system giving us here?!

The Tuckster

"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."
Col. Chuck Yeager, USAAF