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Offline K West

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2002, 11:51:18 AM »
What Popeye and Ripsnort said (both his posts. I also volunteer to test).

 But I still fly in there whenever I logon because I'd much rather fly a Yak-9T/La5 and know that I'll run into a 202, 109/190 or JU-88 than an N1K2, a Spit, La7, a P-51 or many other "unnatural" matches. And vice-a-versa.

 The bugs and bad CT connects have not been a help either.

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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2002, 01:10:01 PM »
I'll toss in my two cents here... I've already chatted about this with Funked before the reopening.

First, let's start with a given. The MA is clearly the most popular aspect of online AH. This is indisputable.

From there, let's acknowledge that the MA doesn't appeal to everyone. Also indisputable.

The trick is to create an alternative to the MA that will appeal to a sufficient number of people that would actually consider an alternative.

Those that  desire an alternative have a long laundry list of things they want. Unfortunately, I've never seen much agreement on what the "most important" aspects of the alternative should be.

Axis v Allies? No dar? Less dar? No Icons? Less Icons? Realistic terrains? Lots of ideas, no concensus.

Here's my suggestion to you. Filter.

This isn't going to happen overnight. But so far the CT isn't really happening at all. ;)

Start with a clone of the MA with only ONE or possibly two changes. Be it the dar, the icons, the axis v allies.. whatever. Make it NEARLY like the MA... and see if anyone come then.

If they do, add another "feature" and see how much the load drops. off. Rinse and repeat.

If they DON"T come.. when it's initially pretty close to the MA.. you can reselect two different "features" to try and see if that will draw a crowd. Rinse and repeat.

It appears to me that the current "features" set is simply NOT that attractive to very many players. There's no real way to tell which "features" are having the negative effect.

If I were doing it.. and I'm not... I'd start Axis v Allied as the only change and see if folks show up for that "historical" aspect. The logic being if it is just like the wildly popular MA except for AvA, then we are testing the desirability of AvA alone and can then make a judgement on that aspect.

I just think you're trying to change to much at once.
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2002, 01:12:43 PM »
I agree with Toad.  :D

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2002, 01:22:57 PM »
excellent suggestion Toad

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2002, 01:25:47 PM »
I agree with toad also but.... It leaves out the fact that most who are not happy with the MA are unhappy because of some personal dislike of one feature or another that is the MA...  They are very touchy about this supposed blashemy.   Nothing short of eradicating it will do.   They don't want something different.... they want something their way.  

The problem occurs when these malcontents get together to form the "perfect" arena.   If things don't go exactly the way they like then they are left flying an arena no better (for them) than the one they just left.... In some cases worse!   Some of the "features" adopted are far worse to them than anything the MA ever threw at em....  The MA starts looking pretty good again. Plus.... to add insult to injury... There is nobody in there anyway so they stay out, compounding the problem.

my guess is that you would have more numbers if you simply had an MA copy in every respect but simply had it early war planes only... We are getting new early war planes and people will want to try em out....  erk system asside.... they ain't gonna be the plane de jour in the MA.
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2002, 01:39:27 PM »
because the connection sucks. fix the tcp thing please.

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2002, 01:47:52 PM »
I haven't given the CT a try yet.  I don't know how many pilots you need on to make for a fun evening, but I know 2 ain't it.  Up until now, that's as many as I've seen when I'm logging on.  Probably more a problem of when I'm logging on tho', as it's usually near midnight.


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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2002, 01:56:20 PM »
Not too fond of the Eastern front thingie, am more of a "Western guy" :)

Also... , my new favourite ride is a stolen & repainted P38L

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errrm, forgot to say: I did fly and still fly the CT, I love the concept, new map is looking good too, just waiting for another setup.


« Last Edit: January 21, 2002, 01:58:50 PM by Saintaw »
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2002, 02:44:23 PM »
connections suk make it unplayable.

no tweak is gonna do it.

Folks go where the fight is

we started Norway map good historical planeset between 15 to 35 folks flew there at peak usually about 10

Switched to the euro map with a limited rps after a bunch of us thought it would bring more folks.

15 to 35 folks there

same 10 or so that were their from the beginning

1.08 came out and with the new features not implemented in the ct it died.

Folks then said base capture smaller maps shorter flight times and strat would bring umm in.

well

15 - 35 folks
same 10 or so that were there from the beginning.

Now folks say they cant find a fight when the victory conditions are on a pop up when they enter the arena so it stands to reason that the fight would be 'round these targets.

Others say its too unbalanced (which is a red herring) even in numbers are 20 to 10 the limited icons and dar make it easy for 1 or 2 guys to engage 3 times their number and kill and escape.

People dance all around it throwing excuse after excuse and I believe it would be a mistake to make all sorts of changes to try to come up with some magic mix of settings. There isn't one.

Folks go where they will find a quick fight which is fine.

The ct isnt better then the main because of our settings and no one there are the "real" pilots.

The ct is what those that fly there make it.

All we need is a good map, good connections and a good planeset.

No where has a ha ct AvA ever been an alternative to the main (wb 2.xx was but that was really just a shift to a 2 v 2 side war)

No arena "tweak" as of yet has brought in new folks. Short of making in it "Main Arena #2" (which at this point with the numbers we have might be better in the long run) I doudt even with the good suggestions here we will get more then what is already there.

o/t
As for A "Fighter Town" it seems with the lack of any discipline or the presence of a trainer in the ta it has become a "Fighter/Frag Town". Really a big turn off for some of the new guys I have talked to.

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2002, 02:44:27 PM »
I'm totally burned out on arena flight sims of any type.  Been there done that, need something completely different.
Scenarios, missions, flying with my squaddies, I still love that stuff.  If I get to the point where I can stomach arenas again I'll definitely fly the CT.
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2002, 02:53:03 PM »
TOD fills any role for me that the CT would.  When I fly outside of TOD, I want to be able to pick any plane any time and go immediate to furball.  Be it mindless killing or getting used to a different plane, a massive furball is the best situation to accomplish that.

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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2002, 02:54:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Fatty
TOD fills any role for me that the CT would.  When I fly outside of TOD, I want to be able to pick any plane any time and go immediate to furball.  Be it mindless killing or getting used to a different plane, a massive furball is the best situation to accomplish that.


Boy I couldn't agree more with this.

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2002, 02:58:30 PM »
Cos no one else does  ??

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2002, 03:08:23 PM »
TCP

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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2002, 03:11:56 PM »
conx bite.