Author Topic: Combat Theater Poll: Why don't you fly there?  (Read 1398 times)

Offline eskimo2

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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2002, 03:59:43 PM »
I avoided the CT because it was dead, numberwise.
Recently Sabre drug me in there and I had a blast.
The MA is slowly becoming a "Lazs-World" Big Boring Furball.
The CT is surprisingly cool.
I love that when I up in a Russian aircraft, I know my only opponants will be German/Axis. Historical imersion can be found in the CT.

The spawn points in the current map are dicouraging however,
Many bases require a hour-long M-3 or goon drive for capture.

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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2002, 04:29:45 PM »
For me, one of the biggest killers is the friendly dar bar settings.

The friendly dar bar should always be active.  I have stopped going into the CT because it takes to damn long to figure out what the hell your team is doing or even where they are at.  

I think that this is basic information that we should have.  I don't need to know exactly where the friendlies are, but I should have some damn clue.


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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2002, 04:30:29 PM »
I like the CT. The connect is bad at this particular time, but other than that it's alright.  You cant please everyone all the time.  for those people that want a 1v1 fight, try the dueling arena (which hasn't had anyone in it for a long time).  For those people that want a furball with any plane any time, well you have the MA.  For those that want inbetween that, the CT is there.  I do agree with toad however, try one or two changes at a time to see what works and what doesnt.

My other only thing is maybe the scenario's last too long.  If they went just 1 week, or maybe even 5 days, it might relieve some of the tedium of flying the same planes v. the same planes, and help to keep the arena populated with a few people.  As for me, I usually log in to the CT when there are more than 5 people online.

but definitely, the connx problem needs to be fixed.

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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2002, 06:29:05 PM »
4) I don't like the toned down dar.


*especially* with the low numbers and long distances. Flying a Hurri nearly three sectors to find no action when you get there is tedious in the extreme.


And constantly having my few pathetic perkies wiped is hardly an inducement.

Combat flight sims should be *action* games; anything else is MSFS.

Last time I logged on to see Hangtime and some one else as Russian, with four or five LW. Killed the LW that Hang left over for me and spent a half hour strafing a base in boredom.

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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2002, 06:48:47 PM »
Toad and eddick seem to ring my bell on this one.

Plus the connect issue. That hurts.

I'm not a big fan of early war or eastern front setups, but thats a minor niggling point. What i find odd is the LW contingient.. hell the CT should be LW heaven. No matter which map is up in there... it's LW. So where are they?

How about a MA setup on a europe map.. with an RPS?

Swap it once a week with a Pacific map with an RPS.

Like Toad sez.. if the MA draws, lets get the CT set up more like the MA.. but on a historical map witha significantly larger planeset.

Oh, and debugged would be nice.

Let me know if I can help...
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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2002, 06:55:49 PM »
The connection is bad (TCP).

If connect was better there might be enough people in there to make it exciting.

The few times Ive been in there it seemed nobody was particularly interested in strategy. I though it was gonna be more organized, people were gonna work together. But it doesnt really seem that way and I dont know why.

I like Toads "scientific method" idea but I wish the CT could be made to work also.

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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2002, 06:56:03 PM »
"...4) I don't like the toned down dar.
*especially* with the low numbers and long distances. Flying a Hurri nearly three sectors to find no action when you get there is tedious in the extreme....".

Agreed.  I like the suggestion to at least increase the friendly bar dar.  Maybe tone down the dar when the numbers warrant it.

I also like Toad's suggestion to start with maybe only a changed planeset, other minor changes and work from there.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2002, 08:11:21 PM »
Connection. Otherwise is great, especially Stalingrad terrain and setup.

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2002, 08:13:27 PM »
Well I popped in there on Sat before the TOD and discovered that I have no perk points therefore if I fly with the Allies then I get to fly a Hurricane...whoopee.  I was able to HO some poor Luftwobble and earned a whopping 1.25 points so that I could fly an La-5.  Perking an La-5 seems a little ridiculous to me, but its your arena.  Another thing that I dont like about it was the 12 on 3 odds we had at the time.  While Ammo and MbirdCZ and I were engaging LW pilots on one side of the map, the remaing LW pilots were milkrunning bases on the other side and then taunting on channel 1 about where the opposition was.  Kinda hard to defend with only 3 of us against 12.  I guess it could be fun...maybe.

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2002, 10:29:11 PM »
Low numbers....just like most everyone else I like large numbers of players in the arena.  That said the stalingrad terrain is very nice even if it has a bug here or there.  Plane set was well chosen, all in all a very nice alternative to the MA.  Unfortunately joe ah driver isn't gonna log in when there's 10 people in the ct and 350 in the ma.  Like I said in an earlier post you need to offer people an incentive to get the ball rolling, offer people hefty perk bonuses that are transferrable to the ma.  I'll bet that most of the people that fly ah have never even bothered to log into the ct because the numbers always look so pathetic on the clipboard comin in.  I also suspect that not being able to fly their spits and niks and actually having to learn to fly a new ride is just too much for most people.  It's no fun when you have to hop into a 109 and the more experienced drivers are wipin' the map up with your sorry ass, so they just go back to yankin' on the stick in the ma:)   Too bad, its a great alternative to the ma.  
     One question I do have about the stalingrad terrain is why is the weather static?

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2002, 12:06:54 AM »
For me, its easily #1

When im on there is at most 1-5 people in there. Why spend all night finding someone to kill?
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2002, 12:33:38 AM »
Gorgeous new terrain

But, lots of "missing shape" errors

Can't read the map, map icons impossible to read

Limited planeset...yeck....the historical folks wanted this to be this way, and the numbers aren't.    Wait, let me guess, we'll yet AGAIN blame this on...?  Oh let's see, HTC hasn't added all the planes you need for a particular planeset?  We've been hearing that one since 1.04 :rolleyes:

Reduced radar is fine for me...doesn't matter to me much either way on the radar issue.

I won't hide my thoughts on it....I think it should be similar to the Main, but with no radar bars, limited radar range/icons and more realism toggles turned on.  All Acks MANNED, not AI.  Make craters cause damage if driven through and 4 goons required to re up a base.  Up the fuel multiplyer a notch and change the winds aloft daily so its not the same ole 8k day in, day out.  But, in all the CT discussions, it seems only the historical fans got picked to be CMs and such.

But, that's a different rant  :cool:

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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2002, 12:41:51 AM »
Low or no numbers.  It would be fun I'm sure but as long as the MA offer's the opportunity to fly any plane you want,  I'm sure the CT will have limited numbers.  Even worse is the opportunity to pick a side with the "better" aircraft (ya I know...it's the pilot not the plane, but there's not that many people interested in spending the time to get good in a "lesser" aircraft.  The sides are bound to be lopsided.
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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2002, 01:31:33 AM »
S!

Comments on the complaints and observations voiced here:

1)  Bad (?) Connection.  

This is obviously keeping a lot of people out.  I get the TGP message too.  Doesn't seem to make any difference to how the server performs for me.  Aircraft seem to fly fine.  In any case, I can't do anything about it.  Have contacted Skuzzy who runs the server and HTC and asked for them to look into it.  Hopefully it gets fixed soon.   We didn't have the problem before so it isn't incurable.

2)  Reduced DAR ranges making it difficult to see where the enemy and friendly are.

Personally I haven't had any problem in seeing where the action is.  However I have bumped up the DAR range to 200,000 from 130,000.  That should make it easier to see where combat is happening.

3)   Low numbers.

Yes numbers have been reduced from the usual 30-50 we get when we kick off a new setup.  Too bad, with this first new map we might have hit 70.  Probably they're down because of (1) above.  I am surprised at the low figures some have been suggesting.  I live on the West Coast, and miss the most populated hours.  But when I log on, around 12 midnight EST, there are usually between 10 and 20 people on server.  And of course it is the chicken and the egg theory.  You can't have numbers unless the players go there but the players won't go there unless there are the numbers.

4)  Limited planeset.

Yep, that's a historical setup.  We use the planes which were around during the historical period in question.

It does mean you can't fly your favourite plane all the time.  It also does mean you can fly a plane like the MC202 and have a decent chance.

Did you know an MC202 will kick a LA-5FN's butt with a good pilot in the seat?  Go to the CT and you can discover this important truth for yourself... ;)

There are all kinds of interesting matchups to be explored in  a historical CT which never happen in the MA because you are too busy trying to escape the horde of La-7's or N1k2's on your tail.

The nice thing about a CT is that your favourite plane WILL come along at some point and then you'll get a chance to explore its potential versus historical opponents which it was designed to fight.

5.   Problems with range.

Fuel burn has been modified to 1.0 from 1.5 giving 50% more air time.   The Stalingrad map is bigger than it looks and more fuel was needed.  Now the Hurricane can vulch the Luftwaffe fields for a while longer before having to turn for home.  You still don't have to fly any longer than 10 minutes to get into a fight.  (A48 and A10)

6.  'Missing Shape' Map messages.

Yeah I get the messages too sometimes.   So what?  It doesn't affect gameplay at all.  And the terrain designer is busy working on his revisions to eliminate the problem.  Which will be available next time we use the terrain if not sooner.  (hopefully we have the Tu-2 then... :) )

>>>>>>>

I appreciate all the comments.

Even those from the guys who have done all they could to kill the CT...  Funny how the crocodile tears come out.  ;)

I'm also not going to panic and say the CT isn't succeeding on the basis of what we've been able to put up so far.

Yes it needs some tuning.  That will happen.

Yes it needs a decent connection.  That's going to happen.

Yes it needs maps which have all the bugs ironed out.  That is going to happen too.   The real question is whether you prefer to fly the same 3 maps over and over or whether you want some variety.

We are going to keep improving it, and gradually I think people are going to start to appreciate the experience they get there.

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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2002, 02:59:24 AM »
To me the combination of 1 and 4 (low numbers and reduced radar bars) makes it often difficult to find fights.

Bad connection is another BIG restrain.

Toad's suggestion of making CT almost like MA is a very good approach.

Stalingrad map with snow is vary nice, but all targets/bases are very close to each other and the map is hardly readable because of that.

I still hope CT will develope and become my Main Arena :)


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