Author Topic: B-24 Liberator (Read 296 times)

7SinS · « **on:** January 22, 2002, 02:51:30 PM »

Though I dont fly a buff regularly except when I am at work on a laptop:D I feel I need to address the issue of the b-24 liberator yet again.
It was the most widely produced bomber of W.W.2 carried more payload and fuel and yet AH has somehow lost its production.
Know I know AH prides itself on the historical aspect of this sim to which I am grateful however it is my humble opinion that the b-24 should be in the planeset of AH.
Was wondering what everyone else thinks of this issue?

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Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2002, 02:57:54 PM »

It is true that the B-24 was the most produced.

However, what does it bring to AH?

It is the same as a B-17G, except that it is more fragile and carries 2000lbs more. A B-17G is an adequate replacement for the B-24 in scenarios.

IIRC, Pyro stated that it took as much work to do a 4 engine bomber as it does to do 4 fighters.

The B-24 should be added eventually I think, but for the time being there are many things that bring more options to AH than a B-24 could.

eddiek · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2002, 03:36:38 PM »

Karnak,

From talking to a couple former B-24 pilots, I think the B-24's "fragility" myth is unfounded. Got one guy here in the town where I live who says the B-17's got the glory mainly from being the 8th AF's primary bomber. Plus, too many people have seen that picture of the Liberator going down with the right wing snapped near the wing root......resulting from a direct hit from an 88mm ack. B-17's suffered the same damage from direct hits.
The B-24 had longer range, was faster, and carried a larger payload than the B-17, hince, it was far more versatile IMO.
Soon as I get the interviews typed up, I will post it here.

ergRTC · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2002, 04:20:56 PM »

I would love to see it in the game. Why? So I can fly something other than the 17 (yawn), and so I can shoot down something other than a 17 (yawn). I fly the ju88 and 26 just to fly a different bomber. Even though I know you are toast if seen.

I think that would almost offer more variety than the 4 fighters would.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2002, 04:22:23 PM »

eddiek,

The B-24 was seen as more fragile by the German pilots who were shooting at it as well as the B-17. They much preffered attacking B-24s.

The B-24 was only slightly faster than the B-17 as far as top speed goes.

Cruising speed is irrelevant in AH because the engines do not overheat.

I have never run a B-17 out of fuel in AH. Never even come close. Is this a problem? If it is a problem, is it such a large problem to need they addition of a 4 engined bomber to fix it?

HoHun · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2002, 04:24:28 PM »

Hi Eddiek,

>From talking to a couple former B-24 pilots, I think the B-24's "fragility" myth is unfounded.

I'd recommend Willi Reschke's "Jagdgeschwader 301/302 'Wilde Sau'" for the Luftwaffe pilots' view on the relative durability of both types. Their everyday experience was that the B-17 was much tougher than the B-24. Reschke, who shot down several bombers of each type, certainly considered the B-24's fragility an established fact.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Wotan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2002, 04:31:51 PM »

i was fixing to post that very thing hohun

the strumgruppen loved them some b24s...........

at this point another 4 eng fluff in the main is pointless we lack fighters. People enjoy fighters more and theres no real need for a b24. b17s can handle that for now.

brady · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2002, 07:35:55 PM »

This debate has is as old as this sim i suspect, I to feal the B 24 a redundant, and pointless adation at this time, I would prefer to see HTC do a He 177, Cant Z 1007, B 29, or a Coranado, or an Emilly, It is not that I dont like the b 24 I just think that the time to moddel it would be best spent elsewhear, at least for now.

Critter · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2002, 11:11:57 AM »

at this point another 4 eng fluff in the main is pointless we lack fighters. People enjoy fighters more and theres no real need for a b24.

Say wha? huh? We lack fighters? good god how many more fighters do you want. Mostly all it is is different versions of the same damn airframe. Also.... People enjoy fighters more? Methinks you should speak for yourself. I loves me some bombers. In fact... I think it's great to send up a squad of bombers and escorts, That to me is fun. If Iwant to up,kill someone, die, respawn, do it all over again in an endless loop, I'll go play some AVP 2. some of us want complete new additions to the game such as seaplanes, whereas you're talking about needing more fighters such as a carbon copy of one version we have in here... but OOH!!!! it's 20 MPH faster!!! or... OOH! this one has 20mm cannon but this one has 20.1mm cannon!!!! Model it!!!

yarg... sorry folks... wife is pregnant and doin the whole pre-term labor/contractions thing. I'm a little peeved

Steven · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2002, 11:24:43 AM »

I'd be all for a B-24. It's a very important player in WW2 and also would give the bomber players in AH another viable choice when they want to make some major damage on the enemy. The light bombers are more token than anything in the MA, in my opinion. I love the B26 but when I take one up I know I'm not going to do much hurt to the enemy. If the B-24 gets more people in the skies as bomber pilots, I'm all for it because I love hunting bombers. Also, I've flown the B17 and Lanc more times than my interest allows but I'd certainly take the B-24 for a few hops in the MA. Just my opinion or vote on the subject. Those players who enjoy flying the heavies should have another to choose from.

Vortex · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2002, 12:34:36 PM »

I'd have to side with the "why is it needed?" side on this one. I just don't see a B24 bringing anything unique to the equation, for the arena or scenarios. The B17 is a pretty all encompassing representative of the US heavy bomber.

If we're looking for new buffs I'd think something a bit more unique would be a better place to spend resources. A B25-H as an example (going from memory here, but that was the one with the 75mm in the nose, yes?), Tu-2 or PE-2, or even an A26. Any of these medium bombers would bring far more to the arena and scenarios than a B24 imo.

Vortex