Theres no such thing as peacetime for pilots

[slammer120]

OK if the guys Im talking to dont reply to this post because the topic is too personal then sobeit. JEDI from what I can tell you were a bus driver for someones self defense forces heha. AMMO works in the business too I think. If you work or worked in aviation take a paragraph or two to describe someone you know who bought the farm and their purchase had nothing to do with enemy action. Give the details like where you met the guy, how long you knew him, and what he meant to you. I really like the guys playing aces high I have a great time everytime Im online but I get the feeling that some dont know that landings and mistakes of a tired brain are just as deadly as enemies in wartime and alot more common than most of the guys are aware of. I think alot of aces high players are gonna be surprised. Im not trying to teach anyone a lesson here just trying to get some honest 'holy shessh you gotta be kidding mes' from the unknowning. No story for me yet, but Im looking forward to some reading.

[NHMadmax]

Nice way of putting it.

[slammer120]

Couple more things. Does anyone know where the term 'bought the farm' comes from specifically? Because thats a great tale all on its own. Also so Im not misunderstood what got me thinking about this is the fact that lotsa the aces high players probably wouldnt make the dumb new guy mistakes that have killed so many promising young pilots because theyve made them so much in aces high already. What do you guys think about THAT?

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[LJK Raubvogel]

Sorry, I'd rather tell stories of the good times I had with the guys than tell stories of some of their untimely deaths. Not something that should be discussed over a message board.

US Army Aviation 1989-1995

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LuftJägerKorps

 

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[Toad]

Raub has it nailed.

[Smut]

Well said LJK Raubvogel.

-Smut
USN AT2 1984-91
USN civilian contractor F/A-18 flight test program 1991-96

 

Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
Sorry, I'd rather tell stories of the good times I had with the guys than tell stories of some of their untimely deaths. Not something that should be discussed over a message board.

US Army Aviation 1989-1995

[eagl]

Meet me at the bar during the next AH con, and if I like you, I might talk a bit about Willie and Flounder's last sortie.  A BBS is pretty impersonal, and there's nothing impersonal about 2 friends dying.  

Like the man said, it's generally better to talk about happier subjects especially in a public forum.  I'd rather talk about the first student pilot I ever soloed out, a fine young German Midshipman who defied gravity, an aborted takeoff due to faulty brakes, an approaching thunderstorm, and a pattern full of 10 other solo students to make his first T-37 solo flight today.  After a rough start earlier in the training program, he came through in a big way today and made us both look good by NOT killing himself.

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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Capt, USAF
T-37 Instructor Pilot
F-15E Fighter Pilot
Oink Oink To War!!!

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[Jigster]

I like to go on and on about that time a seagull came through the wind screen, during a mild hail storm. And it was a rental.

I'd much rather hear close call stories then greasy-spot-on-the-tarmac stuff. Ugh I can't say without using a euphamism, the pilot's curse.

- Bess
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Just another WWII fanatic
and Cessna dweeb

[scout]

When an WW2 american aviator died his family collected enough insurance money to 'buy a farm'.
Hence 'He bought the farm'.


 

Originally posted by slammer120:
Couple more things. Does anyone know where the term 'bought the farm' comes from specifically? Because thats a great tale all on its own.

[slammer120]

Yikes I hope I didnt offend any fellow Veterans. Deadly serious about that. Its why I put that first sentence in. I think EAGL maybe has the best solution of all which is use a scary story instead of a see you upstairs story. With all due respect to LJK RAUBVOGEL I think you missed what I was getting at. I see guys who are aces high players discussing combat deaths of pilots all the time and doing so very casually. I guess I was trying to put some faces in their conversations is all. Sorry about misreading you guys about the impersonal factor. Apology accepetd? The bought the farm answer was correct. The fatal error I think that most aces high players would not commit is brain lock when they need to add power to avoid stall-spin-splash when on a less than perfect landing approach when they are still new guys. EAGL if I met you at a bar Id buy all the drinks and drool while you told me about how sweet 120s are compared to Argh I Missed-7s. Does my jealousy shine through enough to be seen during daylight hours?

[slammer120]

Hey scout I was a little wrong patting you on the back so fast. You are close. The term came from when a pilot who already owed payments on a farm didnt walk away from that one important landing and the $$$ allowed the Missus to pay off the farm. Close enough I guess, but I wanted to make sure you had the details right.

[Duckwing6]

Besides .. not only Military pilots "buy the farm" .. i've been in GA for a mere 7 years now but 5 people i knew personally died in accidents .. some of the which where of the worst "how can one be so stupid" type.. it happens to everyone once in a while, and all you can do is sit back and reflect what went wrong and then walk away with a lesson learned (the price was high eough for sure  )

DW6

P.s. During my time in service i had the "pleasure" to be observer on a SAR helo, that was called to search for an aircraft which had it's ELT activated.. turned out to be a friend of mine who crashed flying his glider.