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Offline 7SinS

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« on: January 24, 2002, 09:06:12 AM »
He He tac and the lads after a hop over rook territory :D
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2002, 09:44:14 AM »
ROFLMAO!!!

"Twin jet engined devils" after training session:
"Ok guys, that went good, next time we'll learn how to takeoff effectively, dismiss!" :D

Offline Tac

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2002, 11:48:45 AM »
Pre v1.08 P-38s.

*sniff* :)


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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2002, 12:28:59 PM »
That pic is truly obscene 7SinS...remove it at once!! ;)

btw..is that from Shemya Island?  I read that the USAAF bulldozed all their remaining 38s into a ditch there when they abandoned the airfield.

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2002, 12:35:14 PM »
Not a huge fan of the p38, but that picture makes me sad.


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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2002, 01:58:57 PM »
almost cried the first time i seen that picture;)

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2002, 02:16:35 PM »
IIRC those Shemya Island P-38s were all brand new planes.

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2002, 02:37:02 PM »
If you think that pile is big you should see the pile of Fw 190 carcasses in my back yard!  Burrrrrrrrrp!

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2002, 05:09:00 PM »
In the full sized version of this pic you can even see stencil marks from the factory still on these planes.

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2002, 08:26:59 PM »
Out with the old and in with the new.  You guys sound like you wish the Air Force still used P38s as its front line fighters!

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2002, 08:45:02 PM »
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Originally posted by fdiron
Out with the old and in with the new.  You guys sound like you wish the Air Force still used P38s as its front line fighters!



..well no but I'll betcha if they hadn't been destroyed they'd all be in good shape today.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2002, 09:25:57 PM »
Actually FDiron, air forces today use planes far less capable than the p-38 for close ground support.

A p38 with modern avionics, engines,weapons and building materials would be quite formidable in that role.

I can see it... carrying 16 hellfire missiles and 2 laser guided bombs (2k each?), with 2500HP engines... a vulcan gun on its nose and laser targeting gear on the tip of the nose... radar installed on the rear compartments..

weee :)

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2002, 09:55:37 PM »
The A-10 and the Frogfoot are less capable than the P38? hehehe

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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2002, 12:24:01 AM »
What would be the cost difference between a p-38 and an A-10?. Just for arguments sake, say the 38 carries only hellfire antitank missiles (4 per wing hardpoint, just like they are placed on the Apache) and a gun on the nose (not the a10's gun of course, but say the 20mm used in the f16) with a good ammo load. upgraded engines and avionics, hydraulics.

So u'd have 16 hellfires (or 4 laser guided bombs instead), a 20mm gun on nose, much more powerful,fuel efficient and reliable engines, gps navigation and laser guidance systems. Night vision system easily added.

A-10

Power Plant  Two General Electric TF34-GE-100 turbofans
Thrust  9,065 pounds each engine
Length  53 feet, 4 inches (16.16 meters)
Height  14 feet, 8 inches (4.42 meters)
Wingspan  57 feet, 6 inches (17.42 meters)
Speed  420 miles per hour (Mach 0.56)
Ceiling  45,000 feet (13,636 meters)
Range  800 miles (695 nautical miles)
Armament:
One 30 mm GAU-8/A seven-barrel Gatling gun;
up to 16,000 pounds (7,200 kilograms) of mixed ordnance on eight under-wing and three under-fuselage pylon stations.

Cost:  $13 million

P-38"Z" ;)

Two counter-rotating 2500HP (+more?) engines
Length 37'10"
Wing span 52'
Height 9'10"
Speed: 414mph (who knows with such engines what it would go to, using 38L's best speed from WW2)
Ceiling: 44,000 feet
Range: 2,600 miles (again , using WW2 figures, who knows what increased fuel efficiency with today's engines would achieve).
Armament:
One 20mm Vulcan cannon, 16X Hellfire missiles loaded in 4 wing hardpoints or 4 bombs (with increased engine power and stronger, lighter building materials, perhaps 38Z could carry 1k each hardpoint?), outer wing points may load Amraam or Sidewinder missiles instead of hellfires or bombs
Cost: ??? 3 million??

Of course, this is all speculation. But if the 38Z carried 16 missiles and had 3 times the range (read:time over target) more than the a10, while having almost the same top speed, almost the same ceiling, 38Z being smaller in length and a tad smalled in wingspan and height... and possibly being 1/3rd or less the cost of an a-10, and the 38Z being able to land and take off in grass fields... i'd say the 38Z would be quite nice to have.


Also bear in mind that only 1st world countries can afford a fleet of A-10's or frogfoots. While the A10 definetely carries more ordenance and a big tater guns, the 38Z could be a cheaper and just as effective version of it. :)

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2002, 06:44:38 AM »
Tac may be on to something here...