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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2002, 02:35:58 PM »
Sometimes I get 3 in a row, sometimes 5 in a row, sometimes, quite often, non and those are usualyl the times I need them most. For all those of you who do give 6 calls, and give me 6 calls, keep it up, I'll never get pissed off because you send to many to me and I usually, unless I am busy, thank you for them wether I needed them or not. Allways better with five 6 calls then non at all.

BTW Hangtime, all you have said here, pretty much sums everything up I think, well said.
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« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2002, 03:34:57 PM »
I've rethought my initial impression of this thread and would like to apologize for even participating in it. It was obviously started by someone who got shot down after not receiving a six call. What he probably dosen't realize, is 7 guys probably didn't get a six call from him either before that. The difference is, they aren't all here on the forums whining about it. We're all bantering to one another about what's right and what's wrong, while the post originator is the one really to blame. If everyone who's ever missed getting a six call comes on here to squeak about it, these boards would be useless (or more useless than normal, depending on your original view).

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« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2002, 03:41:26 PM »
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I've rethought my initial impression of this thread and would like to apologize for even participating in it...


Yet, you continue to.  Interesting...

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« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2002, 05:00:51 PM »
J.E.R.K. , I suggest you reread the post. There are no 'I''s in it, it starts out with the words 'SCENARIO', then describes a common scene where a guy gets within a moment of completing his objective.. and gets tagged from behind by a bad guy he never saw, which might have been avoided by a simple six call from a free fighter beyond the range to intercede directly. Theres no mention of me, mossies, or teamates saving anybodys butt.

Here's that lil all to common description of current MA events again.. so you won't have to fumble around trying to find your scroll button.. I suspect you don't believe in them either.

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I wish we had a 'check brain' key.

Scenario.. yer workin on pickin off the few remaining buildings at the city, yer goons only 2 min out. defenders, denied reup from the field due to hangers down or runways vulched begin streaming in from a nearby field, they are commin into yer SA zone mighty fast, carrying a big sack of e as they scream in and with most of your attention focused on the targeting runs in the dirt, a bad guy saddles you up. You miss his arrival on yer six, yer 2 seconds from hosing down the last buildings..

J.A.B. Manxer, Doberman and thier ilk , happily vulching the field you deacked for them not 4 min before see the baddie settin up on yer six but are too far off to affect the outcome, and don't believe in 6 calls.

You get tagged by the baddie.. the farm stays up, the goon gets whacked next by the same baddie, the field don't fold. Those vulchers, hey; ain't THEY the happy campers tho.. more seals to club for even more perkies, my, but ain't that fun.


This was put up in response that now famous post of yours detailing your incredibly asinine views regarding the worth of your fellow pilots and your unwillingness to advise then with a single keystorke that they may be in peril...

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I'm one of the people who don't give out 6 calls. I find most of them annoying, especially considering how 90% of the ones I recieve are when the enemy is 4-5K away on my 12. I do of course thank the people who send me the occasional good 6 call....but such are few and far between. I don't give them out because I can't be bothered to; I've got other things to worry about than watching somebody else's tail for him. Should a friendly not seem to notice an enemy I might call out 666 on the text buffer....or I might not.


Now it seemmed pretty obvious to me just what kind of a dickhead you are right then and there... but after several people pointed out that your ethics (or lack of them) were questionalble in the extreme and you attempted to shout 'em down, I put up my post. It's not particularly inflamitory, and while I do mention you and those who seemed to think your flying style was worth defending in the roles of the folks that just could care less about the others on your team that are flying in yer area, I really didn't think it warranted the vehement and thouroghly enjoyable diatribe you spewed up outta yer fat lipped bellybutton next..

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ALL HEAR THIS--IT'S NOW THE JOB OF EVERY AH PLAYER TO WATCH HANG'S 6 FOR HIM!

Hah!

You know Hangtime...if you're stupid enough to fly Mossies low and slow right next to an enemy base without pre-arranged escort, you DESERVE to be shot down. Nothing attracts NME like a fat, easy target.

Rather than pitifully whining about how its everybody's fault but your own that your flawed plan fails, you should make a GOOD plan next time. Have some dedicated fighter escort. You're in a squad mister--that's what they're there for!

Your massive ego astounds me. How you can possibly EXPECT everyone to drop what their doing and run to your aid whenever you need it.....dude, you need a break. You might be a popular AH player, but you ain't God although you seem to think you are. I know this might be tough for you and your over-inflated ego to cope with, but all those other Knights (or rooks or whatever) you see there.....they're on their own flight and have their own goals....you and your helpless Mossie don't mean jack crap to them.


And yah, I've been around long enuff to know how to read, how to fly, how to fight and how to accomplish what i set out to do. I do feel a modicum of responsibility for any teammate in my immediate area, will call his six or lend a hand if I can, moreover; i feel a modicum of responsibilty to help advance my entire teams position and do such mundane things as get on the text comms and announce ALERT: ATTACK INDOUND A32.. to give guys a heads up that might be able to help defend the teams intrests.

Yes, i regard any 'player' such as yourself; that considers himself to be above and beyond such things, sneers at teamwork, refuses to help or pass out six calls and is intrested only in self gratification at the expense of the efforts of the others around him a fair target for criticisim.. or worse.

In short, I figure I'm within bounds in declaring you the worst form of score hound parasite based on your posts, unwilling to help anyone unless you can snag a safe kill in the process, one who sneers at the six call concept, sneers at the SA skills of a guy gettin gangbanged or is doing mission work and only fights when he can win without much risk or effort.

Yer kinda like dogshit in the arena.

When you see it lying around, it's not something yah wanna associate with and you really don't wanna step in it, but when it winds up being tossed at yah you feel obligated to do something about it.

Well, now we know what you look and smell like, seems to me that now we know about yah, we should be able to avoid yah without too much problem.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2002, 05:23:18 PM by Hangtime »
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« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2002, 06:06:03 PM »
Hangtime, your arrogance is amusing in its absurdity.  And your inability to make a point without resorting to childish vulgarity is cute, in an adolescent sorta way.

Your holier-than-thou judgement passing though, is rediculous & idiotic.  You don't know me, or how I fly.  Few here do, as I've only returned to online flight sims about two weeks ago.  (I've run across a few names from the old WB days, but mostly I see goobs from the joke that was AW and Quake kids.)  

I'm a field vulcher because I don't feel an obligation to give "6" calls?  Interesting.   Quite the opposite is true actually.  Vulching requires no particular skill, so I find no enjoyment in it.  Don't ever do it.

I'm also curious as to where you've seen the "this game is about teamwork" quote?  In some AH manual that I haven't read?  HT told you this himself?  Cuz as far as I know, there's no requirement for me to assist in field taking (or whatever else it is that people consider "strat".)  No requirement other than that I pay my $$$, which allows me to fly how I want.  

As I've stated before I give occasional "6' calls, if I'm able, to guys who look like they're really unaware of the con behind them.  I'll also jump in and help if I don't have something more pressing to do, and if it's not a foolish move.  

I've said it before, and I'll say it every time this topic gets brought up.  No one "owes" anyone a call or a clear.  Appreciate them and thank the guy if you get some help.  But no one has ANY call to squeak at anyone who DOESN'T give calls.  It's not their job.

And FWIW, though I'm just getting back into this and am still rusty, I've only been jumped unknowingly once in the last 2 weeks.  99% of the time I'm in the air, I know if there's a guy on my tail.  If I don't know, hell, I deserve to get shot down.    Good SA keeps whines like the original posters' from occuring.

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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2002, 06:32:27 PM »
[post originator] ...that must be me Manxer,

Of course, I whine about not gettin any, and I am not giving any either...right, makes sense...
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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2002, 07:04:43 PM »
Hiya Doberman.. welcome back to AH.

Some notes you obviously missed... possibly my blazing arrogance blinded you.

First, let me AGAIN put this lil missive in front of you.

Posted by J.A.B.:  "I'm one of the people who don't give out 6 calls. I find most of them annoying, especially considering how 90% of the ones I recieve are when the enemy is 4-5K away on my 12. I do of course thank the people who send me the occasional good 6 call....but such are few and far between. I don't give them out because I can't be bothered to; I've got other things to worry about than watching somebody else's tail for him. Should a friendly not seem to notice an enemy I might call out 666 on the text buffer....or I might not."

You call ME arrogant? and defend this guys position with this??

Posted by doberman: "J_A_B's attitude is more representative of those who have been flying for quite some time, not a newbie's."

Henh. I've been flying for quite some time here Dobe, and so has the guy that started this thread, and virtually every responder in it that thought JAB's attitude was outta line.

But hey, it's kewl, yer certainly entitled to your opinion... and so am I. And in my opinion, it sounds to me like your FIRST response to team play attitudes are significanmtly more representitive to the Quake kids you were quick to deride in that same post of yours..

Then you quickly hop over on the other side of the fence and note that you give out six calls when you can.. help when yah got nothin better to do, and note that anybody who gets a six call is lucky and should be grateful, but not to expect 'em.

Hey, ain't that nice. :) I even happen to agree. scary, hunh?

Then yah remind us all that though you've been away awile and yer rusty, YOU don't need six calls because you've only been bounced ONCE unawares.

Ahhh. My arrogance pales in the light of truth.

Anyway; welcome back to the unfriendly skies, and of course; the revealing BBS.
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« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2002, 12:04:22 AM »
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(I've run across a few names from the old WB days, but mostly I see goobs from the joke that was AW and Quake kids.)/B]


I think ur off base calling AW a "joke" and those who played it "goobs".  Personally I enjoyed AW just as much as I enjoy AH now.  I play online games because my friends make them enjoyable.  I've played most everything thats out there and I come back to the games my squad plays every time.

Not sure if your just venting or if you mean what you said about AH's and WB's granddaddy.  (HT played AW is he a goob?)  AW lasted so long because of the strong community, not because it was the "best" sim.  Then EA tore it apart.  So if you insist on calling AW a "joke" then just remember that AW could possibly be the first MMOG ever. (Not quite sure of this fact.  Maybe there were some MUDs around but nothing on the scale of AW.  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.)  Granted AH is a better simulation than AW but I wouldn't even bother with it if some of my friends weren't playing it.  They all moved here from that "joke" of a game.

Jeez. .

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« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2002, 12:40:53 PM »
So Hangtime....let me get this straight...

You little Mossie example was nothing more than an imaginary situation and you used this imaginary situation as "proof" that people such as myself are nothing but score-padding vulchers...

Um...right....I can see the logic in using imaginary scenarios as evidence.....really I can...NOT! :rolleyes:

Somehow I douct that your example is really all that imaginary.  Especially how your OTHER rant thread used examples involving low-flying Mossies as well.  I'm thinking you're just a burned out AH vet who needs some time off.

I don't care if EVERYONE who posts on this BBS disagrees with me....I have my opinion and I stick with it.  Of course, a fair number of people happen to agree with my opinion that countrymates are under absolutely no obligation to help each other.  Nobody has yet showed me the part of AH TOS where it says that 6-calling your teammates is mandatory.  Actually, I would think that the TRUE "score weenies" are those who can't stand being shot down and have to blame their own teammates when it happens.  

Indeed, I even mentioned before that I occasionally call out someone's 6 over the text buffer.  Apparently this is not good enough; not only are these people too lazy to watch their own tail, they're also too lazy to read the text buffer.   Well...no skin off my back if ya get shot down  :)

Fact is...You don't see ME whining on CH2 about how nobody flies in missions.  You don't see ME ranting on CH1 about how I did or didn't get a 6 call.  You don't see ME complaining about the newer players (actually I'm more prone to complain about some of the older players with their over-inflated egos and god complexes).  You don't see ME yelling at countrymates for "not helping capture field XXX.  At worst I'll complain on squad channel about the enemy's actions (lousy ganger punks :) hehe) or my own stupid mistakes.  I fly my way and I let everyone else fly their way.   Live and let live.

Hangtime....you're suffering from AH burnout, in a major way.  Take a few months off, before you start to totally hate AH.  I've got nothing against you; you just need to take a break and put things back into perspective.  It's not everyone else's fault that AH isn't fun for YOU anymore.

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« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2002, 01:00:05 PM »
Wow...this much text has been generated by a vid game... does this seem ironic in some form or manner to anyone else?


Oh...I give 6 calls in a "common sense" sort of way. If it looks like a guy is tangled w/someone then I'll send him one perhaps.

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« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2002, 01:03:07 PM »
You haven't been to the games section at Borders Books bat. You should see the text written on chess. They have 100's of books on THE OPENING MOVE. :)

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« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2002, 01:47:42 PM »
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Hiya Doberman.. welcome back to AH.

Some notes you obviously missed... possibly my blazing arrogance blinded you.

First, let me AGAIN put this lil missive in front of you.

Posted by J.A.B.:  "I'm one of the people who don't give out 6 calls. I find most of them annoying, especially considering how 90% of the ones I recieve are when the enemy is 4-5K away on my 12. I do of course thank the people who send me the occasional good 6 call....but such are few and far between. I don't give them out because I can't be bothered to; I've got other things to worry about than watching somebody else's tail for him. Should a friendly not seem to notice an enemy I might call out 666 on the text buffer....or I might not."

You call ME arrogant? and defend this guys position with this??

Posted by doberman: "J_A_B's attitude is more representative of those who have been flying for quite some time, not a newbie's."

Henh. I've been flying for quite some time here Dobe, and so has the guy that started this thread, and virtually every responder in it that thought JAB's attitude was outta line.

But hey, it's kewl, yer certainly entitled to your opinion... and so am I. And in my opinion, it sounds to me like your FIRST response to team play attitudes are significanmtly more representitive to the Quake kids you were quick to deride in that same post of yours..
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  My first response is my ONLY response.  No one is entitled to 6 calls and no one should expect them.   Most guys who've been around the onine flight combat game for a while understand that, and would never complain about not getting a call.

My comment on "arrogance" pertains not to your stand on 6 calls, but your assumption of the way I fly and your assertion that I must be a vulcher.  As I've said, there are only a limited few that I've seen here so far that are qualified to make a statement about my flying tendancies.


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Then you quickly hop over on the other side of the fence and note that you give out six calls when you can.. help when yah got nothin better to do, and note that anybody who gets a six call is lucky and should be grateful, but not to expect 'em.

Hey, ain't that nice. :) I even happen to agree. scary, hunh?
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Not really hopping to  any side of the fence.   I'm not changing my opinion in any way.  Just because I don't expect them and don't think I owe them to anyone doesn't mean I don't occasionally give them.  I'm not against 6 calls in principle, just against the expectation of them.

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Then yah remind us all that though you've been away awile and yer rusty, YOU don't need six calls because you've only been bounced ONCE unawares.

Ahhh. My arrogance pales in the light of truth.

Anyway; welcome back to the unfriendly skies, and of course; the revealing BBS.


  I don't consider my comment arrogant in any way.  Just a statement on SA.  I don't have any particularly better skills that lead to SA, I just use my 6 view and watch my rear regularly.  Ergo, I don't expect anyone else to do that job for me.  And I certainly don't whine to my countrymates about them not saving my ass.  

I'm sorta making the point that if people would worry a bit more about their own SA, rather than squeaking about a lack of calls, maybe they wouldn't need those calls so desperately.

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« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2002, 02:33:07 PM »
Im glad some feal this way, i also would like some more 6 calls.. i wont go into a whieny rant on why i want more..

But the stupidest thing ever happened to me last night.. I just want to start off buy saying i BNZ a lot in furballs, so i get a good wide veiw of the fight and i feal it is my responsabilty to keep a "heads up" for everyone below.

I had some bellybutton tell me i 6 called him to many times in a nice size conflict, pretty much blamed his death on my check 6 calls. I personaly 6 call anyone that i see having a enemy working to there 6, anytime. It wasnt like i was 6 calling him for the same enemy threat either, it was all different individuals.

i totaly agree, much better to have a lot of calls as aposed to none at all.. i dont care how good your SA is, occasionaly you are not going to see the con.

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« Reply #73 on: January 23, 2002, 02:46:52 PM »
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Im glad some feal this way, i also would like some more 6 calls.. i wont go into a whieny rant on why i want more..

But the stupidest thing ever happened to me last night.. I just want to start off buy saying i BNZ a lot in furballs, so i get a good wide veiw of the fight and i feal it is my responsabilty to keep a "heads up" for everyone below.

I had some bellybutton tell me i 6 called him to many times in a nice size conflict, pretty much blamed his death on my check 6 calls. I personaly 6 call anyone that i see having a enemy working to there 6, anytime. It wasnt like i was 6 calling him for the same enemy threat either, it was all different individuals.

i totaly agree, much better to have a lot of calls as aposed to none at all.. i dont care how good your SA is, occasionaly you are not going to see the con.


It just goes to show how some people just can't cope with the fact that they are the ones who messed up and got shot down, not anyone else.  I really like getting 6 calls and lots of them.  And usually when i get a six call I just disregard it instantly cause I already know what the guy calling for... however when I have the think, WTF was that for?  I jink hard as hell just in time to here tracers fly by... either that or crack my plane in half.  In that case I just lay on my trigger in hopes that some unknowing nme will fly into my bullets :D

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« Reply #74 on: January 23, 2002, 07:38:44 PM »
"I had some bellybutton tell me i 6 called him to many times in a nice size conflict, pretty much blamed his death on my check 6 calls. "

This is just as pathetic as those who blame their dying on NOT getting a 6 call.    You can always delete the .wav if it's too distracting  :)

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  That about sums up life in general  :)


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