Author Topic: There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different (Read 816 times)

LtHans · « **on:** January 26, 2002, 07:13:07 AM »

I've heard of some critisim about the USA having a double standard when it comes to the prisoners being captured or turned over to the USA. How can it be that John Walker is sent to the mainland USA and be under normal Federal laws, but the rest captured cannot.

It's the law.

OK, this is mainly for Europeans who read this board. Most common day news isn't normally carried overseas....thats why its called common day news. For example most Americans don't know jack about the UK's trouble with the railroads and such. I know about it, but only because I get my news from the BBC website. I found it superior to CNN which also goes by the name "communist news network" (no offense to any real communists is intended).

Side note: What the hell is a "row" in England? Another word for "argument"? Also, what does MP mean in UK politics? Minister of Parliment? MP means military police in the USA.

Right after September 11 the US Congress rushed through a new set of anti-terrorism laws, most having a 5 year duration, after which they have to be renewed or dropped. They're alot more lenient on the government agencies about what they can do. Things that used to be illegal can now be done, such as phone tappings and such.

However, Congress did add in clauses that these cannot be used on normal American citizens. The idea being that the anti-terrorism laws couldn't be used for the wrong reasons. I can think of lots of uses (mafia, drug trafficers, illegal immigrants, ect). You've all heard stories about how the police KNOW who the bad guys are, but cannot do anything about them because of loopholes in the laws. They'ld get creative and use anti-terrorism laws on them, perhaps going too far. Thus, the rules only aply to foreigners.

Then came John Walker.

So, by our own clauses we cannot treat him the same. Most of us WANT to treat him like a terrorist, but we can't. Please don't think we like him.

Gunthr · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2002, 07:38:33 AM »

Ditto Lt Hans on the quality of BBC reporting. Very comprehensive... beats CNN all to heck.

Regarding America's regard, or lack of, for Jihad Johnny, consider my wife's reaction to learning that JJ is 20 years old:

"20 years old? He's just a baby!"

Particularly, mothers of wayward sons will identify with this.

Multiply it tens of thousands of times all accross America (we have a lot of wayward sons) and what do you have?

We'l be lucky if Jihad Johnny isn't elected to the Senate.

osage · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2002, 07:54:58 AM »

Treason or not, I think it was hurtful and tasteless of Walker to go around in blackface like that.

thrila · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2002, 09:09:27 AM »

MP= member of parliament

row= argument yup you're right on that one:)

Dunno why america hasn't sent the british terrorists the the UK. Then we can try them for treason perhaps...

Maniac · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2002, 09:11:37 AM »

In that case they should send the Swedish one to Sweden for trial here...

Tumor · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2002, 10:42:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
In that case they should send the Swedish one to Sweden for trial here...

Did the Swedes go catch'em?

Finders beaters, loser's weeper's hehe.

Maniac · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2002, 01:03:17 PM »

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Did the Swedes go catch'em? Finders beaters, loser's weeper's hehe.

Well if you look at it that way you are right

, so it was the UK troops wich captured the brittish terrorists?

On another note, Sweden now have troops in Afghanistan, its an "top secret" special ops unit...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2002, 02:26:07 PM »

I absolutely agree that John Walker should be treated much differently than those foreaign Al Qaeda and Taliban Terrorist scum, after all he is an American- we have to take care of our own.

Yep much different treatement to John Walker, as in much much worse- I see no reason why he shouldnt be tortured for weeks on end then finally lets say skinned alived or boiled alive piece by
piece untill he is dead. He is a traitor and should be given no mercy. Thank god that America has so many guns so that if one day he is ever out of jail alive I am fully confident he will soon be be shot dead on the street or in his home.

Sandman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2002, 03:02:05 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yep much different treatement to John Walker, as in much much worse- I see no reason why he shouldnt be tortured for weeks on end then finally lets say skinned alived or boiled alive piece by
piece untill he is dead.

I have a reason for ya. It's called Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Pongo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2002, 03:23:00 PM »

I love this treatment of the terrorists crap..
LOL
Sorry. but we want to know what they know...Why send em home to be treated like heros...
As far as I am concerned The US is welcome to any canadian terrorrists caught in afganistan...we dont want em back..dont even tell us..
You can have our Sikh (sp) terrrorists as well!!

Animal · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2002, 03:25:50 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I absolutely agree that John Walker should be treated much differently than those foreaign Al Qaeda and Taliban Terrorist scum, after all he is an American- we have to take care of our own.

Yep much different treatement to John Walker, as in much much worse- I see no reason why he shouldnt be tortured for weeks on end then finally lets say skinned alived or boiled alive piece by
piece untill he is dead. He is a traitor and should be given no mercy. Thank god that America has so many guns so that if one day he is ever out of jail alive I am fully confident he will soon be be shot dead on the street or in his home.

You sense of vengeance and ruthlesness is very un-american and more akin to the Taliban and the Iraquis. Maybe you should be tried for treason.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2002, 04:06:47 PM »

LOL Animal it sure is very Taliban.

But thats what little Johnny wanted to be........

what can I say, I hate the bastard and hope he is is very unhappy one way or another.

Animal · « **Reply #12 on:** January 26, 2002, 04:12:42 PM »

How old was he when he joined the Taliban?
That was before 9/11 and when the Taliban was actually considered our "buddies"
I mean, they were righteous fighters, we even made a RAMBO movie with them as the good guys!

Poor bastard didnt know what was coming for him. he was a low rank POS, he had no knowledge of any Terrorist activities.

midnight Target · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2002, 07:04:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
How old was he when he joined the Taliban?
That was before 9/11 and when the Taliban was actually considered our "buddies"
I mean, they were righteous fighters, we even made a RAMBO movie with them as the good guys!

Poor bastard didnt know what was coming for him. he was a low rank POS, he had no knowledge of any Terrorist activities.

Yea Animal, but it is so much easier to say skin him alive without really getting to know the facts.
BTW the Taliban were a group of Islamic students (mostly) that took over after the Russians left. The buddies of RAMBO were the Mujahadeen. I'm pretty sure there is a big difference.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2002, 10:05:37 PM »

All he had to do IF he was just a young confused guy who made a mistake was to say so on the tape with Mike Spann. We saw the tape he wasnt exactly crying out for help. Not doing so he cast his lot with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. All he had to do was say "Im an American and I couldnt get out of the situation after Sept11, please help me out now". Did he say this? NO! He just sat there- its on the tape. Or is this tape fake too, tahgut? He wasnt just a Taliban- he addmited to gatting Alk Qaeda traing in terrorism, he admitted to meeting with Bin Laden in a camp where Bin Laden directly praised him for joining the Jihad. This white guy from rich liberal marin county was a perfect sleeper terrorist, do you think he would just be sit unused?

How old was he Animal? If I came down to Puerto Rico and murdered your family would you excuse me because im only 21?
When does he become accountable- he was at least 18 during his whole stay in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

And Tahgut Im constantly surpries how you just simply hate America and want to defend her enemies. You are pathetic. I hope you arte to be unahappy as well.

So in my my most eloquent French to both of you:

diddly OFF