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Offline Octavius

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Right after September 11 the US Congress rushed through a new set of anti-terrorism laws, most having a 5 year duration, after which they have to be renewed or dropped.  They're alot more lenient on the government agencies about what they can do.  Things that used to be illegal can now be done, such as phone tappings and such.

However, Congress did add in clauses that these cannot be used on normal American citizens.  The idea being that the anti-terrorism laws couldn't be used for the wrong reasons.  I can think of lots of uses (mafia, drug trafficers, illegal immigrants, ect).  You've all heard stories about how the police KNOW who the bad guys are, but cannot do anything about them because of loopholes in the laws.  They'ld get creative and use anti-terrorism laws on them, perhaps going too far.  Thus, the rules only aply to foreigners.


I thought they were rejected?  The phone tappings and not needing search warrants I know were rejected.  Yes, giving various agencies more power to "fight terrorism" can be beneficial.  And yes, it can also become abused as you mentioned.  People who propose these laws must have something wrong with them, as they would affect their rights as well.  Thomas Jefferson said the growth of government is inevitable, but only the citizens control how fast it happens.  

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BTW, if they did pass, I'm glad they're temporary.  Gotta fix that mistake...
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There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2002, 10:35:15 AM »
any of you guys catch the footage of them bringing him to america?
i was watching this the other night and they showed them rmoving him from the car and taking him into the building at night.
you know how usually when transproting a high-profile crimanal they block them from view and try to hide them so as not to make a target out of them?
they had glowsticks hanging all over this guy, lit up like a christmas tree, almost as if they was hoping someone would take a shot at him so they wouldn't have to figure out what to do with him.
sorry to say it but i was kinda hoping the same thing

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There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2002, 02:46:43 PM »
He is an american citizen, so he deserves to be tried as an american citizen with all the rights as such.  However, I think they should have charged him outright with treason.  I dont think it would have been that hard to prove.  


But im no expert, its just my opinion.

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There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2002, 03:24:57 PM »
He hasnt killed anybody. And its very different situation than someone who killed a family.

Lil tardling should just be thrown in jail. Someone like you is gonna kill him when he comes out anyways.

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There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2002, 05:06:52 PM »
Sorry Kronos, I don't get it. Why should he been treated like an US Citizen if he was caught in a foreign land as a Soldier (Fighter)  in a foreign Armed Force? To me its sounds that he neglected his US citizenship on his own will. So why bother to put him back in the same country what he left?
My oppinion is, that he should be at Guantanamo with the rest of the gang.
But, (a big But) then I have to say something what i know is not popular in the US. The treatmend of the Taliban and AlQuaida Fighters is not a "Human treatmend" as the US Politicians like to tell everyone. It's the same as to the American GI's in Vietkong prison camps. Maybe the problem that you don't see it is that you are Personaly involved in the case.
But enough now. The flame will come, no problem. It's a democracy, right?

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There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2002, 05:15:46 PM »
"Someone like you is gonna kill him when he comes out anyways"

So very true.

"How old was he when he joined the Taliban?
That was before 9/11 and when the Taliban was actually considered our "buddies"
I mean, they were righteous fighters, we even made a RAMBO movie with them as the good guys!

Poor bastard didnt know what was coming for him. he was a low rank POS, he had no knowledge of any Terrorist activities"

This cant be. Animal is making sense!

However, remember that this guy KNEW that the Taliban had commited terrorism against the US, that they had declared jihad against the west, mainly the usa.

Guess rich boy cant figure out that "USS Cole + bomb set off in twin towers + african embassy = something's up here and im in the middle of it". He wrote to his parents that the attack on the COLE was justified. What other evidence that he was on THEIR side from the start do you need?

This guy is ssssoooo dead regardless of what the govt does with him. Its like those child rape criminals in jail.. when others in the 'house know, they kill him anyway.

In a year or 2 they'll be selling his bones in E-bay, you wait and see.

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2002, 05:34:25 PM »
besides...

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2002, 12:54:55 AM »
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Originally posted by metronom
Sorry Kronos, I don't get it. Why should he been treated like an US Citizen if he was caught in a foreign land as a Soldier (Fighter)  in a foreign Armed Force? To me its sounds that he neglected his US citizenship on his own will. So why bother to put him back in the same country what he left?
My oppinion is, that he should be at Guantanamo with the rest of the gang.
But, (a big But) then I have to say something what i know is not popular in the US. The treatmend of the Taliban and AlQuaida Fighters is not a "Human treatmend" as the US Politicians like to tell everyone. It's the same as to the American GI's in Vietkong prison camps. Maybe the problem that you don't see it is that you are Personaly involved in the case.
But enough now. The flame will come, no problem. It's a democracy, right?

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 He's not being treated the same as the Afghans being held in Cuba because the military tribunals do not apply to U.S. citizens.
 As far as I know, there is nothing you can do, not a single thing that will immediately revoke your citizenship without requiring some sort of due process.
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2002, 05:24:23 AM »
From what I understand, which is probably very little, since he is an American Citizen, AND not a member of the US military, he cannot be tried under a US military tribunal.  He has to be tried under U.S. federal courts, with all the rights as such.

Also about the "humane treatment" of the terrorists, I do not think they are lawful combatants, as they deliberately targeted civilians, therefore they should not be protected under the geneva convention as POW's.  It is hardly fair to compare the treatment of the Al Qaeda terrorists at the hands of the U.S. to the way the Vietcong camps were run.  Have you ever met an american POW from Vietnam?  If you haven't I suggest you do and listen to their stories before you begin to compare our treatment of the terrorists with what went on back then.   Do you think that any american or allied soldiers captured in Afghanistan would be treated any more humanely than those in Guantanamo Bay?  They would probably have been treated alot worse, much like the POW's of the Gulf War, if they weren't just shot outright.

Everyone likes to point out when the U.S. doesn't do things quite "by the book" but no one really seems bothered if countries that don't agree with U.S. policies bend or break the rules for their own benefit.

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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2002, 07:30:52 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So in my my most eloquent French to both of you:

diddly OFF


tss tsss ...

//teacher Hat on
un-polite ...
VA TE FAIRE ENCULER
Polite but same meaning
ALLEZ VOUS FAIRE SODOMISER
//teacher Hat off

It illustrate the intrinsic superiority of the French over othe language : We have a LOT more insult availlable :D

As usual the french lesson is at 21:30/23:00 CET ... in the MA

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There is a reason why John Walker/American Taliban is being treated different
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2002, 07:53:55 AM »
LOL Straffo....

I think Grunherz is gonna go with "VA TE FAIRE ENCULER"
"When I speak I put on a mask. When I act, I am forced to take it off."  - Helvetius 18th Century

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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2002, 12:14:26 PM »
LOL they never taught me that in 7th grade French! Isnt this BBS great you get to meet nice people from all around the world then learn to cuss them out in their native language. :) What a damn UN moment!  :D

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2002, 11:19:14 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo


tss tsss ...

//teacher Hat on
un-polite ...
VA TE FAIRE ENCULER
Polite but same meaning
ALLEZ VOUS FAIRE SODOMISER
//teacher Hat off

It illustrate the intrinsic superiority of the French over othe language : We have a LOT more insult availlable :D

As usual the french lesson is at 21:30/23:00 CET ... in the MA


Isn't it actually "Va t'en faire enculer"?

Petit pédé.

Hein hein.

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2002, 02:22:38 AM »
not quite Osage ...

We can use either "va t'en te faire enculer" or "va te faire enculer"
Anyway the second form is more frequently used :)
We can use to "va te faire éclater la marguerite" (using flower is more poetic :)

Like I've read before "Preparation H help the bellybutton hole shine" is more humorous and  strongest IMO ;)

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2002, 10:32:02 AM »
Merci bien, monsieur le professeur :)