Author Topic: Perks to affect K/D ratio. (Read 721 times)

Tjay · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2002, 02:22:35 PM »

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
I agree 1 kill = 1 kill recorded no need to massage the figures.

But as i appear to be the only one so far to actually read your post accurately, i feel its academic as I dont give a sheet whats happening in AW as i am flying AH

Damned typo.

Tjay · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2002, 02:31:28 PM »

Poony.

Thanks for your support. Also for taking the trouble to read the original post carefully. Not to mention risking the wrath of the Whinestapo.

The POSSIBILITY of biasing the K/D ratio is just ONE possible way of encouraging more people to fly planes other than the usual suspects. Perhaps those who agree with that basic aim but feel strongly that messing with the K/D ratio is not the answer, would like to suggest an alternative?

Those who don't believe that 'affirmative action' is necessary for a wider range of types to be seen more often in the MA would like to say why rather than just make bald, unsupported statements.

lazs2 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2002, 02:34:52 PM »

ok... like all decent and perceptive human beings I dislike the luftweenies but... I fail to see what their whining has to do with this topic.
lazs

Tjay · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2002, 02:42:43 PM »

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Originally posted by CavemanJ

If you start a sliding scale for K/D based on which kite yer flyin you destroy that stat, period.

There's already a sliding scale on the perk system and IMO it works nicely, though also IMO it still needs a few tweaks here and there.

The reason you don't see people flying the "non-uber" kites is because, first and foremost, they want to kill. They're going to grab the kite that will let them kill the highest number of kites before they are shot down themselves.

Tjay I want some of what you were smokin and not sharing when ya came up with this one

Caveman.
Yes, a sliding scale for K/D would destroy that stat, and as replies to my post have shown, that would be unpopular with a lot of people. That's fine by me - you have to discard certain ideas before getting to the best one.

I know why people don't fly the less than 'uber' kites, but I have seen many posts lamenting that fact and proposing various changes to address it. Do you agree with that? It seems many players are unhappy to see the vast majority of people flying the La7, N1K1, Spit 9 and FW 190, and would like to see some incentive scheme introduced to address it. (I have no very strong opinions about it myself.)

And at the risk of repetition, I was not saying that a change to the K/D system - or even to the scoring system - was in itself desirable, merely that it would ONE WAY to address something that seems to be a common subject of debate.

And no, you can't have any of it. Do you know how what it costs and how hard it is to get hold of in England?

CavemanJ · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2002, 02:50:38 PM »

Tjay I pretty much don't care what people fly. I fly what I want to fly and expect them to do the same.

Now, that being said, am i gonna call them a skill-less dweeb for flyin the la7? oh yeah, you bet!

Am I still gonna strafe thier chute if they bailed out of an N1K2-J?
Damn right I am!

The only thing I'd like to see happen is the La7 become a cheap perk, like 5-6 points. It out performs most of the current perk kites at the typical MA furball alts.

Tjay · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2002, 02:51:31 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
ok... like all decent and perceptive human beings I dislike the luftweenies but... I fail to see what their whining has to do with this topic.
lazs

Sorry Laz, I wasn't trying to associate what I call the Whinestapo with the Luftwaffe or those who favour LW aircraft. My mistake.

Perhaps I should call them the KG Be Negative. But that might upset La7 drivers.

But I do get fed up with those that a) write as if their opinions are the only sensible ones and anyone who differs is a moron and b) consider that any suggestions that any aspect of the game might be changed is a 'whine' because the poster finds the exisiting arrangements uncomfortable. HT obviously don't feel that way because they are continually upgrading and improving the product.
And as changes affect everyone equally it would be impossible for any adoption to benefit any individual. Something that seems beyond the grasp of some...

Tjay · « **Reply #21 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:06:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious

What is this roadkill? You knew you would get flamed and thought you would sling some toejam first?

A kill is a kill; a kill is not 1.5 kills.

F.

Furious.
Right on! One thing I've picked up - if in doubt, draw first.

In this case there wasn't even any doubt.

Your second point: Yes, at the moment a kill is a kill. But that isn't written in stone anywhere. Progress is entirely dependent on unreasonable people like me who are prepared to question the status quo. (E.g. It was the pansy morons whining about the heat that lead to the introduction of air conditioning in autos.)
And progress obviously means change. And some people hate change.

So the general consensus is that messing with the K/D ratio is not the way to encourage people to fly the less than uber planes. Fine. No problems for me at all. Any alternative ideas?

Tjay · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:13:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
i told you my opinion if you dont like it dont read it.

who did I say i am speaking for?

Your the one bringing euro-trash style socialism into ah

Point 1. At no time have I said that you claimed to be representing anyone elses opinon. Merely, that you voiced your opinion as if it represented the only possible sensible one and that anyone who disagreed was a whiner and/or a moron.

Point 2. Ah! I now understand the crux of your hostility.

We can avoid all future unpleasantness if you just don't bother to read any of my posts. In return I promise not to respond to any of your replies to other peoples' posts. Deal?

CavemanJ · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:13:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Tjay
Your second point: Yes, at the moment a kill is a kill. But that isn't written in stone anywhere. Progress is entirely dependent on unreasonable people like me who are prepared to question the status quo. (E.g. It was the pansy morons whining about the heat that lead to the introduction of air conditioning in autos.)
And progress obviously means change. And some people hate change.

Not written in stone?
Maybe you need to take a trip down history lane to the begining of air combat...

1 kill = 1 kill = 1 kill

No sliding scale. The stat just DOES NOT support that kind of assinine suggestion Tjay.

Tjay · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:16:15 PM »

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Originally posted by CavemanJ

Now, that being said, am i gonna call them a skill-less dweeb for flyin the la7? oh yeah, you bet!

Am I still gonna strafe thier chute if they bailed out of an N1K2-J?
Damn right I am!

The first thing is fine by me - I can't hear you:D

The second is OK too. I'm not such a dweeb that I have to fly a Niki.

Tjay · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:22:09 PM »

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Originally posted by CavemanJ

Not written in stone?
Maybe you need to take a trip down history lane to the begining of air combat...

1 kill = 1 kill = 1 kill

No sliding scale. The stat just DOES NOT support that kind of assinine suggestion Tjay.

Caveman. Peace, man.
I meant not written in stone in this game. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. And I have accepted that although it would be theoretically possible to bias the K/D system, that is not the way to go.
So any ideas as to how to shooting down a P51 with a 202 could be rewarded - other than with perk points as it is now?

10Bears · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:25:24 PM »

Any alternative ideas?

[SIZE=20]Perk 'em All![/SIZE] [/FONT]

Furious · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:37:28 PM »

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the vast majority of people flying the La7, N1K1, Spit 9 and FW 190

hunh?

I see lots of La7s, Spits (both flavors), Nikis and recently p51's. I don't, however, see very many Fw190's. I don't think I have ever encountered an F8, seen very few a8's, some a5's and of the 190's mostly the d9 and its still pretty rare.

A kill is a kill is a kill. However, one could increase scoring to favor the "lesser" bird or increase the amount of perks earned.

But perks and scoring are both pretty much useless.

F.

Manxer · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:45:11 PM »

In defence of Tjay (if he's not already been tried and executed), his idea isn't so far fetched. During WWII pilots were alotted a "sliding" scale for kills depending on what Fighter Command needed them to put emphasis on. An example of this would be Flying Bombs and Ground Targets that weren't conisered a kill until they were seen as such a threat that they had to be dealt with. I even believe the Flying Bombs were given as multiple kills for each ones destroyed (I could be wrong there).

Not that I like the idea, as then I can see all the threads arguing over which planes need value adjustments (sounds familiar huh?).

Wotan · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:54:58 PM »

I will reply where I want .

I have no problem telling you when your ideas are dumb.

However you ask for an opinion then have trouble dealing with those opinions that you dont like.

I dont care what you do but offer a dumb idea I tell you.

You knew it was a dumb idea from your first post.

Look at your first post and read what you wrote.

I call umm like I sees umm............

You are the one resorting to childish name calling.

No free lunch