Author Topic: Perks to affect K/D ratio. (Read 550 times)

Tjay · « **Reply #30 on:** January 28, 2002, 03:57:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious

hunh?

I see lots of La7s, Spits (both flavors), Nikis and recently p51's. I don't, however, see very many Fw190's. I don't think I have ever encountered an F8, seen very few a8's, some a5's and of the 190's mostly the d9 and its still pretty rare.

F.

Ah, yes - forgot about P51s, perhaps because they go by so fast. Perhaps I attract more 190s 'cos I fly the Spit V a bit...

Tjay · « **Reply #31 on:** January 28, 2002, 04:06:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
I will reply where I want .

I have no problem telling you when your ideas are dumb.

However you ask for an opinion then have trouble dealing with those opinions that you dont like.

I

Your first point: Obviously not:D

Your second point: I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. But I do have a problem with people who do it in an aggressive, unpleasant manner, tell me to 'Quit whining' and generally exhibit a lack of manners. That is because I am an English gentleman of a 'certain age' who believes life would be a nicer experience if we all treated people as we would wish to be treated. But that is probably more Euro-trash socialism.
This is my final reply to you. I intend to keep making suggestions as to how this already excellent game might be improved even further. If you call them dumb, I'll know there must be SOME virtue in them.

Tjay · « **Reply #32 on:** January 28, 2002, 04:14:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Manxer
In defence of Tjay (if he's not already been tried and executed), his idea isn't so far fetched. During WWII pilots were alotted a "sliding" scale for kills depending on what Fighter Command needed them to put emphasis on. An example of this would be Flying Bombs and Ground Targets that weren't conisered a kill until they were seen as such a threat that they had to be dealt with. I even believe the Flying Bombs were given as multiple kills for each ones destroyed (I could be wrong there).

Not that I like the idea, as then I can see all the threads arguing over which planes need value adjustments (sounds familiar huh?).

Manxer...
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. But I guess a kill was always a kill against an aeroplane with a pilot in it.

Good point about it giving rise to more endless argument. But we have that already with the perk system... Strangely, Wotan, who made the perfectly valid point that the way to get perk points (if they are important to you) is to shoot down boss planes with something less capable, is utterly opposed to that system being extended to affect fighter rankings in any way. Doesn't seem so silly to me. The K/D system, everyone agrees, should be left alone.

Don · « **Reply #33 on:** January 28, 2002, 04:18:45 PM »

I too agree...1 kill, 1 kill score
I fly inferior (? why inferior) planes to get perks so's I can fly ..ahem...superior planes; cuz I can

Gremlin · « **Reply #34 on:** January 28, 2002, 04:22:21 PM »

Wotan,

Why don't you just say, I don't like your idea for reasons x, y and z. Why do you feel the need to append he 'and your dumb too' bit. It's unnecessary and puts people who don't have your experience of AH putting forward their ideas.

Kinda reminds me of the guy who goes to the doctor with a pain. The doctor says 'You only got three weeks to live!'. The guy says 'I wan't a second opinion'. The doctor says 'OK your ugly too!':D. Yeah yeah, I know fell outta the pram laughing, its that old.

Gremlin

Poony · « **Reply #35 on:** January 28, 2002, 05:07:56 PM »

Yea! I thought about every word when I was typing it there, CMJ. I was reading his idea, not his words. I seen an idea and then I seen alittle hostility, which is what I pointed out. I try to be alittle bit political due to I know at times that some in this community can be alittle 'sensitive' sometimes.

CMJ, you point out that people will grab the plane they can get the most kills in, because they want to kill. This is true. Now do they want to kill because they want to see a enemy plane go "BOOM", or do they want to kill to see their K/D go up? With TJay's idea, taking a non-uber plane up to kill a so-called "uber" planes will satisfy the K/D monger. If that pilot gets 1.5 kills for killing a N1K2, the K/D will be higher than a 1 kill = 1 kill scenario.

As a community we have to try and look at all options and ideas to allow growth within. If you dont agree with someone's idea then that is fine, but dont jump down their throat. Point out the reason why you fine the ideas, not so "warm and fuzzy".

Over and over we receive feedback about the hostility within this board and on-line. I was just pointing out maybe some should think first then react. Many time is seems posts are spewed out in discontent like Russian's problem the other day.

I dont totally agree with TJay's idea and I like things the way they are now, but he is coming up with an idea and posting it. No reason to get haggeled for that. I agreed with with his belief that this type of scenario would change the way some people pick their ride. More people would pick less uber rides for the chance of a better K/D.

So yes, I did think about what I was typing.

Wotan · « **Reply #36 on:** January 28, 2002, 05:14:29 PM »

Hey gremlin what dont YOU read my 1st reply to his suggestion.

Its clear as day what I think of his idea.

Then read HIS reply.

He starts with the petty crap so I just stated even more clearly what I thought of his suggestion.

You gotta reading comprehension problem as well.

you dont like it well so what.............

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #37 on:** January 28, 2002, 05:20:25 PM »

How about we just use perks to improve our score? Something like 500 perks bumping you up 1 pt in K/D or 1000 bumping you up 1 in K/S.

That way... everyone could feel better about themselves.

Wow.. this stupid idea thing is contageous.

AKDejaVu

Tjay · « **Reply #38 on:** January 28, 2002, 06:10:04 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
How about we just use perks to improve our score? Something like 500 perks bumping you up 1 pt in K/D or 1000 bumping you up 1 in K/S.

That way... everyone could feel better about themselves.

Wow.. this stupid idea thing is contageous.

AKDejaVu

A constructive alternative suggestion. Just as I was giving up hope. Thanks AKDejaVu.

Thanks also to those who supported my idea (at least in part) and to those who expressed their disagreement without resorting to abuse.

If this discussion has any life left in it, perhaps someone would like to start a new thread?

Gremlin · « **Reply #39 on:** January 28, 2002, 06:32:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
you spend too much time worried about score......

kill 1 plane get 1 kill recorded..........

we need no affirmitive action programs for early war birds

we need no welfare perk system for late war planes

No equalitarianism in ah

Life is unfair so is ah ............so what..........

No free lunch

Boy Wotan you have some serious attitude problem.

I read your email, not just the words but the sentiments. Your entire reply is nothing more than a condescending statement from start to finish. Your tone sounds like you have the right to speak for the whole AH community. Words like 'we need' 'No equalitarianism' 'No free lunch'. You have no right to speak for the whole community, and you have no right to condescend to people who TRY to make a positive suggestion, which is more than you have done. You know, I don't particularly like Tjay's idea either, but at least he tried. You think cause ur a good stick, you gotta right to come out with this BS.

You can call me what u like, I don't care. Anyway man lifes too short. We have a difference of opinion that's life.

Gremlin.

Wotan · « **Reply #40 on:** January 28, 2002, 07:13:36 PM »

again there gremlin read my other responses where did I say anything about speaking for anyone?

Are some sort of mind reader? How do you know what my sentiments are?

He asked for an opinion of his suggestion mine was offered.

I dont care anything about his feelings or yours and they play no part of my response to his suggestion.

Where have I called anyone a name? I said I thought his idea was a bad one he got petty then to clarify my point which was so obviously stated in my 1st reply I said it was a "dumb" idea.

which it is.

Read your squaddies posts.

Then read mine no name calling or any thing insulting other then "its a dumb idea".

I dont care anything about you or him.

Where did I call you anything?

The most important part of replying to a thread is knowing what was written.

Reread this thread and please point to my name calling.

It most run in the squad sheesh

I dont know what email you think I sent ya but it wasn't from me

Tjay you send your big brother to help ya out........

You started on me pal........

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #41 on:** January 28, 2002, 09:28:22 PM »

TJay, while your idea may sound good- it's just another way to artificially pad your score.

Such as the repair pad, the sortie didn't actually get credited as ending in your stat when you stopped to repair- you repair, take off and are back in action to get more kills. This artificially boosts your kill/death and kill/sortie.

This idea would go further to promoting score inflation.

Inflation is always bad, unless it involves boobies or an air mattress.
-SW

Gremlin · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2002, 03:55:54 AM »

Wotan,

This could go on forever, so I'm gonna shut up now. I said my piece, u said yours, we disagree. So shall we just leave it there??

There's enough bad feeling in this world so lets not do that.

I wish you good luck and

~~Gremlin.~~

Tjay · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2002, 05:27:39 AM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
TJay, while your idea may sound good- it's just another way to artificially pad your score.

-SW

AKSWulfe.
I haven't heard about the repair pad proposal so can't comment.

I guess you could call my proposal as a way to pad scores, and in a way it is. Another way to describe it is a reward system for those who exhibit superior skill. That was certainly what I had in mind.

Agree 100% with your sentiments on inflation. Thanks for you input.

Tjay · « **Reply #44 on:** January 29, 2002, 05:38:41 AM »

Gremlin.

Thanks for you support. Wotan's only response was more abuse. No change there then.

I think the basic problem here is that he considers using words like dumb to describe someone else's idea or making bald statements unsupported by any form of rational argument as totally acceptable, whereas me calling irrelevances like 'No free lunch' or 'Quit whining', juvenile is name calling. Rational argument is, of course, dependent on the capability of rational thought. So I think we are expecting too much.

As the man says: 'I called it dumb because it is.' No argument, no IMHO. Here we have someone who'se definition of 'correct' is 'what I think, and 'incorrect' is 'any other opinion'.

He is also quite open about not caring about your opinion, my opinion or anyone elses. But some consideration for other peoples' opinions is generally accepted as one of the corner stones of civilisation and society. More Eurotrash socialism maybe, except that as a regualar visitor to the USA, I know it's not.

I wonder what really lies behind that macho Sylvester Stallone online persona. A short bespectacled, hen pecked clerk who daren't say boo to a goose in RL perhaps?

Anyway, this is like shooting fish in a barrel, except the fish has the gun and is shooting itself in the foot - err, flipper - all the time. No fun and not what the BBS is for.

Like I said, anyone want to start a new thread?