Make the late war monster more rare!!!

[Kirin]

First a big <S> to HTC for 1.06 - the Dora is a pilots dream!!!    

But I was really amazed how cheap the monster planes are. 70 perkies for the Tempest??? I recall HT saying once it would take the average player 3 weeks to gather enough perkies for the expensive planes.

At this price an average player has almost unlimited access to even the most costly perk plane. And more over I think the 190-D9, P51-D, La-7, 109-G10, Yak-9 and of course the F4U-1C should be perked as well. Why fly a 190-A5 when u get the D9 for free? The early war planes are more obsolete than ever don't let em perish from the face of the AH world.

My suggestion:
cheap perks (190-D9, P51-D, La-7, 109-G10, Yak9, F4U-1C): around 50 perkies
expensive perks (Ta152, Tempest): like 200-300 perkies

That way the *rare* planes would be really rare and people would be motivated to fly early war stuff to gather perkies!

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[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 03-10-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 03-10-2001).]

[Zigrat]

its cuz everyone still has tons of points built up

average pilot flies n1k. he gets 2 kiklls a sortie, flies 5 sorties a day. thats probably 6 perkies a day, itll take him 2 weeks to get a tempest.

[Wrek]

I'd say wait and see what happens. People have been saving up PP's (Perk Points) for what 2 tours now? And once they have used them them up, it's going to take time to get enough to fly a perk plane.
It all depends on what they fly and how much they fly. You know it has to take sometime to get those points in a CHog, where someone in a 202 might get them faster.
I can see it now the sky filled with 202's, na.  
And HT can always change it.
Just my 2 cents.

Wrek

[Kirin]

That's my point:

Get people off the Niki and the CHog!!!

Motivate them to fly early war planes! I got most of my perkies flying 109F4 or G2 - those are real perk monsters while still being competetive! Let them earn their ueber-rides! Let the CHog pilot switch to the DHog - he will get his perks 3 times as fast!!

[StSanta]

Agree with Kirin

the perk system is an excellent mechanism for  self regulation if you will  .

I *love* the D9, but we'd get more midwar fights with the planes kirin suggested perked.

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[Tac]

I agree with both sides of the argument. (???   )

I think that the current perk cost is ok. You are seeing many Tempests and Arados now because players have been collecting perks for a long time without spending them. If you can, start a 2 week trial account and see how many perks you will make flying as you usually do. You may get 70 perks in those 2 weeks, maybe less, maybe more... and you use them, get vulched... and time to work on those 202 skills  

I also agree that ALL late war planes should be perked. Cheap perks that is.

P-51D, BF109g10,190D9, P38L (but only when an earlier P-38 model is avaliable), La-7, F4U-C, F6F (only when the Wildcat is avaliable) and N1K (when the earlier model of N1K is avaliable) should all cost about 5 perks each to fly.

That way you will see them on the arena, as their 5 perk cost is quite cheap (and in most cases you can even make more than 5 perks in those planes on 1 sortie).

Those unwilling to pay the 5 perks because they are saving for the Tempest or the like, would fly Dhog, P-51B, P-38D/J (I wish they were in this game), early 109's and 190's, La-5,Wildcat and N1k-1J.

[Pongo]

Kirin.
You are contradicting yourself.
You get lots of perp points flying the F4 and G2. thats exactly right...You will get half as many flying the D9. So if you fly the planes you are now. and another guy is flying niks or La7s. You will be getting kills on him in your tempest at least twice as often as he is. The trade off in player plane choice is exactly what the perk system is for. Allow the best non perk planes in the arena but penalize the guys that fly them vis a vis perk point while rewarding the guys in the less capable planes that are successful.
So the difference between the A5 and the D9 is not "free" the D9 is rated consderably better(20?) to 30?. that stat alone says that pyro thinks the arena is 50% more dangerous for an A5 pilot then a D9 pilot.  One gets 3 points for killing a chog the other 2.
These ratios may need to be tweeked. Some of the better planes may still need to be perked. But Fundimentaly you are describing the successful perk system in action. You get a whack of perks for flying the early mid war 109s. you should. YOu would have to be twice as successful in a D9 for the same points.
A 109g2 and a 190 D9 meet. The G2 is rewarded 4 times as much as the D9 for victory. that is not "free"

[anRky]

Kirin wrote:
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My suggestion:
cheap perks (190-D9, P51-D, La-7, 109-G10, Yak9, F4U-1C): around 50 perkies
expensive perks (Ta152, Tempest): like 200-300 perkies
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I really like this idea!

anRky
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'Get rid of the bucket!'

[Hooligan]

Perk points have the effect of giving the best players nearly unlimited access to uber-planes.  Surely this couldn't be a problem?

Hooligan

[AKDejaVu]

I like seeing a few extra tempests in the arena right now.  It is the perfect counterweight for all the D-9s were are seeing.

As the D-9 fad settles, people will start running lower on perk points and the perk usage will settle too.

By the way.. I took a Tempest up once on the first night.  I killed a D-9 and a P-51B.  I landed with .7 perk points.

AKDejaVu

[Kirin]

Uhm Pongo I quite don't get the essence of your post...   (swiss banana, u know!)

The Dora is for *free* as long u don't have to spend perkies on it. Sure its ENY rating is low as it should be and you won't amass perkies in it like in a 109G2 but you don't need perkies anyway!! (because D9 is for free)

Besides the fact I have enough perkies to wreck quite a few Ta152s there is no real reason (besides the coolness factor   ) to spend them on the Ta152 right now. The D9 does the job as well. If the D9 would be perked I would have a real reason to gather
perkies to enable it. For that reason I would have to fly some early war stuff to get those perkies... got the point?

The perk system is a great idea to balance an arena with planes ranging from early/mid to late war. The ENY rating of specific planes might be open to discussion but the general idea is good! I am not critisising the system I just say perk some more later planes to make the earlier planeset more attractive and the arena more balanced.

BTW, didn't HT announce the CHog to be perked with next Host update? Was hoping for that for 2 months now...  

[Torgo]

Just want to note that, long-term, ENY values aren't set by HTC at their personal whim (obviously, with a new update, the initial value has to be set to SOMETHING by hand) but will are essentially automatically determined by arena usage.

[AKDejaVu]

 

BTW, didn't HT announce the CHog to be perked with next Host update? Was hoping for that for 2 months now...

He mentioned it might be necessary because of high use.  I think 1.06 fixed that rather quickly.  The F4u-1C usage has been down about 80% since 1.06 came out.

AKDejaVu

[Karnak]

How many hours does the "average" AH pilot fly.  How many kills do they get?  What do they fly?

I have 226 fighter perk points.  I have been concentrating my flying in A6M5bs (when it had a value of 35 and 30, now at 25 its not worth it anymore) and Spitfire MkVbs.

I have been flying lower end fighters for 9 weeks and can afford 3 Tempests.  That is 1 for every 3 weeks, and I didn't us N1K2s or Spit IXs much to get here.

If these cost 200-300 points, I will never fly them because the amount of my available time that was used to get that many points is simply not worth the minor performance improvements that come with the Ta152 and Tempest.

Remember, we have to consider the average pilot, not the guys who play AH for 6 hours a day.

Don't price me out of the market, please.

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[Virage]

Perking the "hot" planes is terrific for rewarding smart flying but is terrible for the game.

Consider how this system would effect the large group of pilots that are new, behind the curve, or just plain suck.  They will be forced to fly inferior performing planes against better pilots in better planes.  The learning curve just got steeper.

Take away the ability of below average aces to fly the chog and the game will quickly cease being fun and they will leave.  The player base will narrow to those group of pilots willing to put the time and energy into mastering ACM.  

And how fun will the MA be if you put poor pilots in poor planes?  A turkey shoot.  Fun for some but will quickly loose its challenge.  Some of the best fights I've had have been against poor pilots in forgiving planes.  

The "dweeb factor" cannot be forgotten.  Nor can the fact that every pilot worth his salt was once one!  When ur skill/understanding are low you gravitate to better/easier planes for success.  How many aces learned their craft in a spitfire?!  Take away this important stage in learning and you will be playing by yourselves.