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Offline Tac

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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2001, 07:22:00 PM »
shouldnt you be jumping off a cliff and drowning somewhere?  

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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2001, 08:46:00 PM »
I think the perk system is fine. I blew all my perkies by Saturday night (NZ) time, by Sunday afternoon had another 70 just from Tiffy'ing around.

Remeber perked planes are not indestructable - and sometimes lend to you flying them overconfidently. I've already had my arse handed back to me in pieces when in the Tempest by the likes of Spits, Jugs, etc. And likewise I have caught a couple of perkies myself.

Remember it is very easy to lose your perk ride to Ack, Vulchers (I mean field supressors), and other stuff.

I've been through my dweeb days, perks is a nice payout for flying right AND sticking around. Its also a nice goal for the new guys. I spose some like BillyBob1, BillyBob2, BillyBob3 who have a new handle every two weeks might not like it.

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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2001, 09:19:00 PM »
Ta 152 isn't doing too good in the statistics...
well.. I don't really like it myself either, accerlates like P-51 and misses top speed (well, 15-22mph and accerlating those last 30-40mph to top speed takes another eternity)

Tempest seems to turn good, like that infamous air to ground fighter called Typhoon, which wasn't too highly praised for its air to air capability. (hmm, its A/A monster)

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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2001, 09:40:00 PM »
Here's a vote from an Uber dweeb (a kill every two sorties? I wish....)

Every time a 202 kills me, it brings home my appalling dweebyness and I sulk for days.

Every time a Tempest kills me I think "squeak! You'd never have done that if it were a fair fight!"; and my temper is assuaged......

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« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2001, 08:42:00 AM »
tac.. fine... early mid and late but then why even bother with the idiotic perks?   Why do some guys "deserve" to fly vastly superior planes in an otherwise balanced arena?   Why the hell would they want to???  Why not just make every plane available all the time within it's area or time frame?   Why not give everyone the same plane choices?  

vulcan you prove my point.   you can basically be in a perk plane any time all the time if you are a much better than average pilot.   Newbies who can only get one perk plane every 3-4 weeks will not appreciate this fact.  

I think carlos is right.   there are too many flabby vets wanting to make this a private game.  Personally... I like newguys better.
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« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2001, 09:29:00 AM »
Whats the point of the perk system?  I have been flying now for 3 days and have 40 perk points.  Will I use them on the 2 we have now?  Nope will wait until the 262 comes out.  I really don't agree with teh perk system I like flying the old planes, and I find if you make them harder to get you have just killed 50% of the people trying to get into one a chance now.  Solution give newbies and/or bottom 25% of ranked players perk points to start with but not enough to get a fighter say 40-45 perk points.  You see it happen in every game, late model planes come out and then all we have is a bunch of spit 14's and D-9's flying around.  To make this work, really award the guys that fly the early model A/C, and penalize the guys that fly the late models.  I personally like the A-8 the best, but it seems to attract fire to its engines every run.  Dunno about that one.    

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« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2001, 10:05:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Carlos:
Porked points system is stupid.
The best to discouraging new people to sign up.
After the two months saved PP been spent, only a few will fly these planes.
The mix up of a Tempest with a 109-F is so unrealistic that looks like a X-files episode.
It seems that HT and his gang of crawlers, the very well known group of players who is always buttering him up, want to keep this a "private" game. At this pace they will get it soon. The Porked Points is a great advance in this direction.
It only could be solved if a RPS, à la WBs,is implemented. Everibody can fly anything, but in its due time.
Sad to see a nice sim being thrown to the cloaks

   


Seems like the Warbirds fishermen use cheaper bait then us AH folks. I wonder if somewhere, there is a perk price for a good trolling lure....

Not that I disagree with you Carlos...wait, yes..yes, I do. Do you fly this sim or do you just sit on the messageboards, looking through the fence while the rest of us play?
(can anyone see the hint here?) :-)

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« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2001, 10:24:00 AM »
I have to say that it's even harder for the earlier planes to survive than ever after 1.06.  The SpitV's of AH have become even worse in comparison with the addition of more planes like the Dora.  More birds flying around with multiple cannons and more speed doesn't help.

I flew SpitV all weekend, and got my bellybutton handed to me over and over.  Zillions of La7's, C-Hogs, Tempests, and 190's (D9's it appeared) flying around... makes it almost pointless to not fly one of these rides.  The reward for flying something like the SpitV just isn't worth it.

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« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
Soda,

That was my experience with the MkVb as well, however, I suggest we let the newness of these things wear off and for people torun out of accumulated perk points before stating how things are.

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« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2001, 12:07:00 PM »
Lazs if there were no perk system, everyone would be flying the Tempest, Arado, and Ta152, and later on, the me262 ALL the time.

No perk system will mean the other, less performing/earlier war planes would rarely be used. Just look at the C202, SpitV and zeke now... you rarely see them in the arena. Make the tempest free and you will see everyone being forced to either fly it or get killed by it. A vet pilot in a tempest (aka, Vulcan) would make massacres, a newbie pilot in it will have a tremendous advantage over a vet in a 109f4... once they find out they can miss their shot and run run run like hell.

"Why do some guys "deserve" to fly vastly superior planes in an otherwise balanced arena? Why the hell would they want to??? Why not just make every plane available all the time within it's area or time frame? Why not give everyone the same plane choices? "

The arena is not balanced. If you made era-only planes avaliable in each time frame you will spend the first 10 days without access to the other 2/3rds of the planeset. I will hear you whine that you are paying 30 bucks and being restricted about your plane choices then. Making the planes be perked with varying prices depending on the time frame would make people SPEND their perks if they want a better plane (aka, C205 instead of C202). The guys that "deserve" to fly "vastly" superior planes deserve them because they have acquired those perks in other planes besides the perk ride they are spending their perks in. If a pilot cant get perks in other planes because he doesnt have the super speed of the tempest + its cannons then what makes you think he will fly anything else BUT the tempest?

perks are a reward system. you do well in other, less performing craft and you get a shot to fly a vastly performing plane for 1 or 2 sorties. If you dont do well, you dont get perks, and you dont get tempest.

"vulcan you prove my point. you can basically be in a perk plane any time all the time if you are a much better than average pilot. Newbies who can only get one perk plane every 3-4 weeks will not appreciate this fact"

Anytime you want? Lazs, even a vet pilot will take some time to earn enought perks to fly a tempest. You get an average of 5 perks per every 4-5 kill sortie (in P-38L, which gets more perks than 109g10 109d9 and other killer planes out there per kill). Even vets gets a 4-5 kill sortie every 5 sorties or so.

I'd say a vet makes barely 50 perks a day depending on how they perform on a given day (unless they fly the 202, you can get 11 perks in a 4 kill sortie heeehe). So you can think of a vet making enough perks to get a tempest every 2-3 days. They spend it in their tempest, dweeb around, fight other vets (and heck, a tempest is a MAGNET for other vet pilots... its an envy kinda thing..."must kill he with the tempest, my pride forces me to kill it...".

A newbie will not make perks to fly a tempest in 2-3 days, maybe in 2 or 3 weeks. Do you really want to see vets AND newbies in the tempest all day long? The game would go to hell, talk about extreme imbalance.

"Newbies who can only get one perk plane every 3-4 weeks will not appreciate this fact"

And I think the rest of the non-newbie (not meaning vets but vets and regulars alike) would not appreciate seeing clouds of newbies flying tempests. Its bad enough with n1ks and chogs as it is.

"there are too many flabby vets wanting to make this a private game"

I think carlos is wrong. There are too many newbies and arcade FM pilots who refuse to learn ACM skills and are whining that they cant get access to a super plane which they would undoubtably be "l33t" in. A 109f4 vs a tempest is the equivalent of a p-51/109g10 vs a Zeke. A zeke can survive such an encounter by using its better turn against the other planes which will have to boom and zoom it.. and at one point those boom and zoom will run out of E or run away when the zeke's friends show up. And let me tell ya something, the tempest will NOT stick around to kill a 109f4, tempest pilot wont risk losing his ride in a prolonged dogfight.

All this sounds to me that you cant take being killed by a superior pilot in a superior plane that the superior pilot earned in inferior planes, and you whine to have the chance of flying the same superior plane vs the superior pilot for free... and get your bellybutton whipped anyway. Seeing Vulcan in a tiffie is bad enough, imagine him in a Tempest all year round.  

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« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2001, 12:19:00 PM »
I think there is nothing wrong with perk system as it is now. I just think that many of you forget how hard it is to earn 70 perkies. For me it's about 40 missions and that's about how many I fly in 1 week. 1 Tempest per 1 week, sounds like fair deal to me. But there are people who will need more then 40 missions to get there...

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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2001, 12:28:00 PM »
Dang! I wish I had time to fly 40 missions a week!  I may get 30-40 a month but not a week!  So I guess flying a perk once every month or 2 will have to work for me or something.

They should make it so we can purchase planes too.  That way instead of spending $60 trying to fly one perk plane I could maybe purchase one for a few bucks and if I die I will buy another.  Or I could just save the perks up if I dont want to spend cash?????  I would do this.

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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »
Tac,

Only reason that almost nobody flies C.202, is because there hardly is any close in fights for those peashots and if there are, you can still act gun happy to get anything done.

109F4 is fairly good, though, more for hunting / close to base fights (where you can run into ack so you wouldnt be B&Z to boredom by half dozen runstangs & other runners)
It has also advantage of having wide variety of versions, so people might think its more widely used G2 or G10 and go turn to death.
C.202 lacks this 'cloak' feature.

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« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2001, 12:38:00 PM »
Karnak,
  I know that this is new and it will take a while to work it all out    It's just frustrating... btw, good to see another SpitV pilot out there.

My point is, a lot of people compare the perking of planes to what would be an average plane in the MA.  Nothing like saying "Better perk the Ta152 because it is better than a P-51D", fair enough, but consider the fact that the SpitV wasn't much of a match for a P-51D, that makes the imbalance between a SpitV and Ta-152 extreme.

The SpitV already suffered as being under-powered compared to the planes in 1.05 but now against unperked Dora's, La7's and the such, it's totally unbalancing to fly a SpitV.  Finding a Tempest, an actual perk plane coming in, you may as well hope he offers you the HO.  Before it was just bad, now it is almost suicide..... I had a 3:1 kill ratio in my SpitV last tour, hard earned.  This weekend I maybe maintained .4:1 and half of my kills were people impacting the ground near me, not me actually shooting and hitting anything.

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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2001, 12:50:00 PM »
Mosse11, I actually fly, er...play this sim.
I like it and by the moment it has a huge potential. It is the best in the market.
Full Stop.
But this will not last forever. And the perk system will be one of the causes of its decay. You will see.
I know many much people discontent with the system than happy with it. And it is only the beginning.
People is eager to grab and try WBIII and WWIIOL, and if the price and results are competitive you will witness a new great migration.
The PP is a source of new frustration. You see people complaining of the very low profit for bomber mission, people who disco while flying a Tempest, or happen to be a reset, etc.
The game is mature for a RPS, with the adition of a few new planes, and HT is doing this very quick. So, 6 early war planes should be enough for a RPS to start.
What will happen when people who is paying his money can not fly the best planes?. What about the occasional player who can/want not spend dozens of hours in front of the computer?. You have to be a depraved hooked to earn de PPs?.
Unreacheble items = Frustation = Resign.
This will be the game for the "few", but could HT afford it?.
On the other hand, strange things have been happening lately too:
- Planes atonshing hard to kill.
- Planes with a surprising very high speed.
- Planes that suddenly apear very high when no activity bar was showed before.
- Lancs or other bomber which climb like on rockets, unrecheable for any fighter.
- Bomber that maneouvers like a zeke.
And so on...
I know, i know, I have to film this and proof it. I have no evidences, but many people tell about such things.

Sorry, but all this may be a lag issue.