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Offline Apache

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« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2001, 01:01:00 PM »
 
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What will happen when people who is paying his money can not fly the best planes?.

And an RPS would allow this? Not. Been there, done that. RPS doesn't work and those advocateing it, know it. There is never an agreement on when a selected air frame should enter the arena. Talk about frustration.

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« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2001, 01:03:00 PM »
Soda,
I had a 3 to 1 kill ratio in my SpitV this tour until 1.06 was released.  Then it went to hell.

About me being a SpitV pilot, well, I have to confess that I am a SpitXIV pilot without a SpitXIV to fly  , so SpitV it is.

Read my last post in my Fw190D-9 vs. Spitfire MkXIV thread over in the Aircraft & Vehicles forum.

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« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »
tac... i have advocated different areas in the arena where only early war planes could take off.   I could fly there without the annoying perk and ultra late planes and the late war fans could just avoid the early war fields.   right now with the idiotic perk system.... not only is the addition of early war planes near impossible but.... the less able planes we have are being discarded....

As for perk points...  there is no point.   the best pilots (or those who fly the current popular style)end up in the best planes.  It's a bad idea, it's backwards.   I am mediocre but I don't want to fight and beat your P38 with a tempest.   I can have a very good chance with my DHog and at least it's a good fite win or lose.   If I think that you are beating me because you are flying the uber 38.... I can just click on "uber 38" next time.   You can do the same if you feel the DHog is the wonder plane of the set.

Why not just make the perk rides available for only the last few days of the tour and drop the idiotic and biased perk system altoghether?   let everyone fly em as much as they want for the last few days against other fantasy planes.  
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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2001, 02:40:00 PM »
Amen, Lazs, amen.

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« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2001, 04:06:00 PM »
Hey Karnak,
  Read your thread, enjoyed it, figured I'll be a SpitXIV convert when it arrives too.  We know the SpitIX is ok, but not in this plane set with all it's high speed cannon bearing wonders.  Until then, I take my SpitV to the air and try to do my best.

I had over 3:1 last tour, but since 1.06 came out I'm more like .5:1 and most of those are those lucky "unexplained" kill awards.

I'll give it a little while to work out the kinks but in order to be of any use in a strategic sense to my country-mates it appears I'll have to pick a new ride.

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« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2001, 04:11:00 PM »
Give evryone 200 perk points at the start of each tour, how they spend them or blow them is up to them. next tour they get another 200 and so on, they can not acumulate perk points over variuos tours.
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« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2001, 06:40:00 PM »
I hope HTC doesn't make the early/mid war planes obsolete, which could happen if the "perk" planes are too numerous and dominate the arena.  There should always be always be a place for the Spit V, furballin' planes.  The arena would be a pretty boring place without them.

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« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2001, 08:43:00 PM »
The RAF found the Spit V was outclassed in 1941 by the Fw190A3 and Bf109G2.
AH has the 190A3, A8 and D9, as well as the 109G2, G6 and G10.
If the planes are modelled accuratly ( and I think they are) the Spit V is completely outclassed.
It's definately the pilot not the plane that gets the kill, but get 2 equal pilots, 1 in the SpitV and 1 in the Dora and the result is a foregone conclusion.

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« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2001, 09:37:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Nashwan:
The RAF found the Spit V was outclassed in 1941 by the Fw190A3 and Bf109G2.
AH has the 190A3, A8 and D9, as well as the 109G2, G6 and G10.
If the planes are modelled accuratly ( and I think they are) the Spit V is completely outclassed.
It's definately the pilot not the plane that gets the kill, but get 2 equal pilots, 1 in the SpitV and 1 in the Dora and the result is a foregone conclusion.

Gee, unless A5 isn't doing B&Z with a gang, I can say that Spit V will outclass it in AH.
Co-alt situation goes nicely for Spit V in AH in most cases.
I don't even dare to talk about 109G2  

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« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2001, 10:02:00 PM »
This thread is worn out...time to go perk some more sheep!  

P.S.- I would like to see more early war variants too (P-40's, Ki-43's, you guys know the tune...BAAA!!..er Woof!)

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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2001, 12:24:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Fishu:

Tempest seems to turn good, like that infamous air to ground fighter called Typhoon, which wasn't too highly praised for its air to air capability. (hmm, its A/A monster)

Air-to-air combat took place in the ETO at mainly what altitudes?

Try playing with the Typhoon at those sorts of altitudes and see how far it gets you =)

It isn't the Typhoon's fault that the furball types want to play below 10,000 ft all the time =P




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« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2001, 07:02:00 AM »
Fishu, all the 190 pilot has to do is point the nose down a bit and run if he finds the fight is getting too much for him. He doesn't even really need to point the nose down, even the 190A3 has around 25-40mph more than the Spit V all the way up to 20K. The speed advantage is similar for the 109G2.

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« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2001, 07:26:00 AM »
 
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Fishu, all the 190 pilot has to do is point the nose down a bit and run if he finds the fight is getting too much for him. He doesn't even really need to point the nose down, even the 190A3 has around 25-40mph more than the Spit V all the way up to 20K. The speed advantage is similar for the 109G2.

..and that simply means that if brits decides to attack, LW just runs away - that ain't a fight.
Last time when I saw spits in 190, spits were 2k higher when I was already 31k or so (in scenario)

well.. you can imagine well that I did run when there was also P38s at same level and just small bunch of 190's against all those at such altitudes.

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« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2001, 07:27:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Graywolf:
Air-to-air combat took place in the ETO at mainly what altitudes?

Try playing with the Typhoon at those sorts of altitudes and see how far it gets you =)

It isn't the Typhoon's fault that the furball types want to play below 10,000 ft all the time =P



...those turns and light controls are still quite funny though.
If you would want to have quick comparison to something, you would compare Typhoon to P-47.
Now these two are totally different in AH.
as far as I remember..

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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »
2 Spit Vs spot a lone 190. What does the 190 do? Run away
2 190s spot a lone Spit V. What does the Spit V do? Pray
In real life, most sensible pilots only engage when they have an advantage. With the 190 v Spit that is an option. If you're in the Spit you engage only when the 190 chooses, unless you start out with an energy advantage.
Fishu, if the 190 pilot doesn't want to run from the Spit V he has another option. Outclimb him, and when you have the energy advantage use it to attack him.
In real life the Spit V was outclassed in late 41. In AH it is expected to fight against planes from late 44. It is not capable of doing so effectively, and the same can be said of several planes in AH.