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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2002, 06:00:06 AM »
Its a pattern for trotski- he really does hate the USA. Plus anyone who would criticize our babying treatment of those criminals in Cuba as human rights abuse is either nuts or hates the USA.

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2002, 07:56:04 AM »
Aside from the author's artificially breezy style of writing, which I don't like at all, this piece does provide some insight on the treatment of the camp's prisoners.

I'm caught off guard at the emotional reaction some have to this information. Is there some huge controversy over this that I'm not aware of, or something?
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2002, 11:04:26 AM »
Tumor - I think you'll find Fylingdales would be key to Rumsfeld's NMD program. I perhaps wasn't very accurate in my description of its distance from my location - it's much less than 100 miles, perhaps closer to 70. As an overvierw FYI:

"As well as its Early Warning Function, Fylingdales also forms part of the Space Surveillance Network (SSN), an intelligence network that tracks and maintains a catalogue of space objects (military and civilian satellites and space debris).

Fylingdales is therefore a significant command, control, communications and intelligence installation. Information gathered by the radar installation is fed directly to the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado. From there information is passed to the National Command authorities and to Headquarters, Strategic Air Command (SAC). In time of war, it would provide the US President with information on what has and has not been attacked, monitor trajectories of both surveillance satellites and incoming ballistic missiles and allow prioritising and accurate response and targeting on "enemy" satellites and ballistic missiles. "


Considering Flyingdales is one of only 3 stations covering the North Atlantic (the others being in Greenland and Alaska), I'd say it's pretty damned important to US defence. Which is why even suggesting that Britain wouldn't pass information on to the US is a little stupid to say the least.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2002, 03:08:16 PM »
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Grunherz/tumor, it seems that you label anyone who criticises the US govt a traitor/terrorist sympathizer/USA hater.

Do you not see a problem in blindly following whatever Bush and the govt says?  If you don't you might aswell be living in a dictatorship.


Read the article- not too impressed with it either.  The site seemed to be very pro-American, it didn't criticise America/Bush for anything.  The site might aswell be run by Bush himself.


Bush is the President and I happen to like him, I don't really care whether you do or not.

"Your with us, or your against us"  Need there be any more clarity?  I'll blindly follow Bush as long as there are other's in the world that blindly hate the U.S.  I'll stick with my Presidents view's as there are other's who's ultimate goal is to undermine anything he does.  I'll choose to have a leader, I'm not above that.  I'll also continue to follow the order's of my Commander in Chief, just like I did under that bellybutton Clinton.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2002, 03:22:53 PM »
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Tumor - I think you'll find Fylingdales would be key to Rumsfeld's NMD program. I perhaps wasn't very accurate in my description of its distance from my location - it's much less than 100 miles, perhaps closer to 70. As an overvierw FYI:

Considering Flyingdales is one of only 3 stations covering the North Atlantic (the others being in Greenland and Alaska), I'd say it's pretty damned important to US defence. Which is why even suggesting that Britain wouldn't pass information on to the US is a little stupid to say the least.


Apples and oranges Dowding.  Flyingdales is not a listening station, it's "part" of a tracking system.  Watching for incoming missile's and databasing objects in space are entirely different from collecting intelligence.

At this point in time, I have to go with Rumsfield, however I'd take it further.  I wouldn't turn ANYONE over until we were done with them, period.  The U.S. and U.K. do share and uncommon friendship among nations, however, we are talking about information of great intelligence value.  Once you get intelligence services and agencies involved, all bets are off.  These people keep information from eachother within thier own agencies, there's no WAY I would trust the U.K. to turn over all the information they learned, I wouldn't expect the U.K. to trust the U.S. on this issue either.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2002, 07:16:29 PM »
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I dont see why you are confused with the idea of a "left wing KKK". Commonly the KKK is seen as a very right wing idea. You are to left what they are commonly seen to the right.


 Huh?
I know you needed to use an inflammatory term like the KKK to somehow back up your argument, but thats the worst example of an explanation..it doesn't even make sense.

 
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Though in reality the nazis were pretty left wing in most of their views except of course nationalism. NSDAP National SOZIALISTISCHER Deuthcher ARBEITER Partei. Plenty left wing there right with the nationalism.


Ahhh sorry to dissapoint you, but the NSDAP were socialist in name only.

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But lemme ask you this and please just answer with YES/NO. Ok? Do you think the Gitmo inmates are being treated inhumanely?


NO, I do not think the Al-Qaeda, and Taliban prisoners are being treated inhumanely.

Happy now?
Somehow I doubt it....

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