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Offline Widewing

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« on: February 04, 2002, 09:35:49 PM »
Today, sitting at my desk in the office eating lunch, I began comparing kill/death stats of the various aircraft during tour 24. I stumbled across something that surprised me.

During the whole of tour 24, the Ki-61 had a 2121/1687 kill to death tally, or about a 1.26:1 ratio. That's right up there with the La-7 at 1.32:1. For comparison sake, let's look at the P-38L, which comes in with a 0.90:1 ratio. Or the P-51D at 1.006:1! Geez, the Tony is doing pretty damn good out there. Even the mighty Dora is only marginally better than the Ki-61 with a 1.39:1 ratio.

So, I thought, "what gives?"

Well, this evening I tried the Tony offline for about 15 minutes and found it to be remarkably agile, with decent speed at low and medium altitude. Moreover, it dives very well.

I then logged on and tried my hand at the Tony. Indeed, I was very pleased with the result. I flew one practice sortie at night and headed for a busy field with the dawn light. Two sorties later I had 3 kills and 4 assists, without anyone even much as getting a shot at me. These included a Dora, a Spit Mk.IX and a Seafire.
The Dora was a classic ambush from low, behind. He never saw me coming and was "Tail-end Charlie" anyway. However, the Seafire was a good old fashioned one-on-one. Much to my amazement, the Ki-61 had no trouble matching the Seafire turn for turn, until I gained enough lead to hammer his engine. My fight with the Spit IX was less interesting, other than it showed me that my marksmanship has greatly improved. I came roaring down on him at about 450 mph, got a few hits, and chandelled high to the right. The Spitfire, trailing coolant, half looped into an Immelmen. He spotted me high to his left, angling down. He tried to pull up and around to meet me head on, but his speed was far too low and his turn rate equally so. I killed him with the my next shot, about 30 degrees off angle at his 10 o'clock high position.

The assists? A P-51D, F4U, Fw 190A and another Spitfire IX.

I guess you could say that I'm sold on the Ki-61. Adding 2 additional kills in a Flak Panzer (one death when my M-16 got clobbered), I somehow managed to end up with an overall rating of 117 as of right now.;) Of course, who knows what tomorrow will bring.....

As it stands, I think that I'll be flying the Ki-61 as often as my other favorite, the Spitfire Mk.V, in which, I managed a 1.7:1 ratio despite being a newbie.

My first week flying AH, Leviathn gave me a lesson, or more accurately, a beating. Both of us were in Mk.Vs. However, I'm a quick study and in our next encounter in the same type, I evened the score. Although, I don't have much confidence that I could do that again.;) As it was, I had to chase him all over Hell's Half Acre to get 'em. He's one heck of a pilot. Guys like Leviathn and aknimitz are the type of pilots I measure myself against. So far, I'm about even against them.

Anyway, if you haven't tried the Ki-61, I certainly recommend it. You will be likely very surprised at its ability, and so will the guys in the Doras and Mustangs.:eek:

Now, where's the Ki-84?!:D

My regards,

Widewing

Postscript: I made two more sorties after originally posting this. Add 3 more kills and an assist, including an La-7, which I chased down and killed on the deck. Still, I've not yet been hit. Yup, I'm beginning to really like this Ki-61.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2002, 11:07:04 PM by Widewing »
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2002, 12:31:13 AM »
It's a fun little plane.  But slow as hell, with a poor climb rate.  If it has a high kill/death ratio then some good pilots are flying it.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2002, 01:05:48 AM »
The Ki-61's best tour was Tour 19.

Tour 19:
The Ki-61 has 3696 kills and has been killed 2353 times.

Kills per death: 1.57

There are times when a lot of the good Japanese players fly it.  That heavily distorts its K/D, which is easy to do on any unit that has low kill totals.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2002, 02:37:49 AM »
I'm goona give it a whirl this camp Widewing.Never flown it before..Thnx for your info on it..
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2002, 03:53:41 AM »
I was completely amazed when I saw how it outturned my spitV at medium speed. With a wide margin..

Of course after 2 turns he slowed down and came a very easy hovering target, completely defenseless. But he damn near scored hits on those first 2.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2002, 05:14:42 AM »
i flew the tony for a while in tour 24. i was very impressed with the performance of the plane but wasnt real pleased with the gun platform. i had a 2.5 K/D in it i believe.

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2002, 08:26:18 AM »
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Originally posted by mrsid2
I was completely amazed when I saw how it outturned my spitV at medium speed. With a wide margin..

Of course after 2 turns he slowed down and came a very easy hovering target, completely defenseless. But he damn near scored hits on those first 2.


I understand. I have learned the hard way not to bleed so much E that I find myself well below corner speed. That's the secret to the Tony. It retains E well, but requires that attention be paid to airspeed. Get it down below 200 mph and the Zekes and Spits will gain the edge. Keep it above that speed and you can fight with anything. Never go vertical unless you have a significant E advantage to begin with. Secondly, never, ever take the Ki-61 vertical in the middle of a furball. The Tony requires a smooth hand.

I have found that it's wise to avoid a fight until you have about 15k under you. Once you have some altitude, you can start looking for trouble.

As a gun platform, I find it similar to the Spitfires, both in gun power and ammo load. It does tend to be a bit nose-bouncy. However, it was very effective against Buffs. I killed one, and assisted on another, killing the gunner. While chasing an La-7, I found myself not gaining after about 30 seconds. So, at 1.1k I fired a burst, and saw some strikes. This caused the Lavochkin to start jinking, which slowed him enough to close in and kill him. Because the Tony has a relatively low ammo loadout, good gunnery skills and/or discipline are necessary to avoid finding one's self with empty magazines. Nonetheless, this is an airplane that rewards careful flying.

My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2002, 11:56:16 AM »
There are times when a lot of the good Japanese players fly it. That heavily distorts its K/D, which is easy to do on any unit that has low kill totals.


Karnak imagine somebody ever said something like that about a LW plane.......

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2002, 12:06:24 PM »
In the Tour 19, I've flown in Ki-61 as Mituzawa.
My record was 1000 kills and 98 deaths in it. :)

BTW, I restarted flying in Ki-61 from this tour, because Ki-67 bomber is coming. :)

-Mitsu

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2002, 01:30:03 PM »
Mitsu,

Good show!!!

GRUNHERZ,

I do make that assupmtion about the German aircraft with low kill numbers.  The Bf109G-10 and Fw190D-9 simply haven't got those numbers low enough.

Mitsu had 25% of the Ki-61's kills in Tour 19 and a K/D in it of slightly better than 10-1.  If you remove his kills and his deaths it suddenly doesn't look nearly as good.

Ki-61 Tour 19 without Mitsu:
The Ki-61 has 2696 kills and has been killed 2255 times.

Kills per death: 1.19

That is from a single good pilot in a low kill aircraft.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2002, 02:15:37 PM »
Perk Mitsu :D


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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2002, 02:19:16 PM »
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Originally posted by Mitsu
In the Tour 19, I've flown in Ki-61 as Mituzawa.
My record was 1000 kills and 98 deaths in it. :)

BTW, I restarted flying in Ki-61 from this tour, because Ki-67 bomber is coming. :)

-Mitsu


Between Mitsu and myself, we're 20 and 2 with the Ki-61 as of now.

Mitsu: 14 kills, 2 deaths
Widewing: 6 kills, 0 deaths

So, that's still 10:1.

Currently, the Ki-61 has 51 kills and 23 deaths in tour 25. However, Mitsu and I have 20 of the kills and two of the deaths. So, readjusted to remove our numbers and you have 31 kills and 21 deaths. Or, a 1.48:1 ratio. That's still pretty dang good, although still very early in the tour.

I suspect that there are two or three other "Sierra Hotel" Hien jockeys out there that probably account for most of the balance. Nonetheless, the Ki-61 is proving to be a very formidable fighter in the hands of those who know how to use it. Mitsu's remarkable 10:1 ratio is solid evidence of that. I'm sure glad he's a Rook! :D

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Widewing
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2002, 02:35:46 PM »
I flew the Tony in the CT during Fire in the Sky whenever the Axis numbers were low.  It's a really nice little plane.

Strangely enough, it is VERY similar to the Hellcat.  I am a guy that flies the Jug mostly and the Hellcat sometimes, and I found the Tony to be a great little plane.  Very similar to the Hellcat in many respects, without quite as good diving ability.  The Tony turns a bit better, but it's really a very good match to the Hellcat.  Tony Vs. Hellcat battles are really tight fights, and all else being equal the better E manager will win. :)

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2002, 03:42:54 PM »
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I was completely amazed when I saw how it outturned my spitV at medium speed. With a wide margin..


Know thy opponent. Clearly, a Spit must use BnZ tactics against this aircraft.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2002, 04:30:26 PM »
I've flown the Spits and the Ki-61 extensively.  The Tony is no match for the Spit V if the pilots are equal.  Spit V turns better, climbs better, flies faster, etc.  Tony has great guns though.  :)