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Offline MANDOBLE

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« on: February 06, 2002, 07:36:30 AM »
This would be a nice addition to the planeset.

Better armoured than 190A8, same weapon options, more powerful engine (BMW 801TS 2000 hp) and a 190F8 style canopy.

Looking at the pictures, 190A9 seems identical to the 190F8, so the 3D modeling work is already mainly done.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2002, 01:35:24 PM »
Never proceded past the prototype stage.

The A-9 was designed to be a bomber-interceptor, thus it was up-armored and had a max t/o weight  of 9.7k lbs.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2002, 02:10:50 PM »
JG300 used it as well as 190A8. Thas was with the TS engine, the one that never passed prototype stage was the original design with a even more powerful engine (about 2450 Hp) and the 190A10 (using same engine). The production began in autumm 1944.

No idea about production numbers, but much more than a single prototype by sure.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2002, 02:40:10 PM »
I'd rather see a Fw190A-1, Bf109G-6 with MW50 and/or a Spitfire F.Mk XIVc.  I think both of those would fill more significant gaps than the Fw190A-9.

An Fw190A-1 would be very nice for the CT as it would allow a proper Fw190 in 1941 scenarios.  The Fw190A-1 would give pretty good coverage of the Fw190 series in AH, start (Fw190A-1) to finish (Ta152H-1).

The Bf109G-6 with MW50 would fill in a performance gap in the AH Bf109 series representation.  There gap between the Bf109G-2 and Bf109G-10.  We have a Bf109G-6, but without MW50 boost it is not as good against fighters as the Bf109G-2.

The Spitfire F.Mk XIVc would give a late war Spitfire that would, although perked, be useful for 1944/45 scenarios in the CT and give Spitfire fans something to spend perks on to get 1944 performance.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2002, 02:46:36 PM »
Yeah, I would want a 109G6/ASM before any 190A9, or A1... it would simply be a much more useful MA aircraft, and since that's where all the fussin' and a fightin' is...

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2002, 02:58:08 PM »
Oh ok, I looked it up more thoroughly, 2 or 3 were MAYBE built.

According to "The History of German Aviation: KURT TANK: FOCK-WULF'S DESIGNER AND TEST PILOT" by Wolfgang Wagner ©1998 Schiffer Publishing,

"A series of prototypes were made available for testing the new Fw 190A-9 series and its more powerful, improved BMW 801 engine. These included V34(410230, V 35(816, BMW 801TU), V36, V72(170727, BMW 801TS), V73(733705) and V74(733713). Work on these aircraft had been completed by September 1944. Neither the BMW 801TS, 801TU nor the 801TH were equipped with exhause turbochargers, as has often been erroneously assumed, but was initially planned to utilize the BMW 801F for the A-9, but this engine was not completed until the final days of the war--and even then only a single example was available. The TS, TU and TH engine were completely interchangeable with theand could be swapped with the BMW 801D. Performance had increased to 1470kw/2000hp for take off and ermgency power at 2700 rpm, 1.65 atas boost pressure at fuel consumption rate of 290g/hp/hr. The motor evidenced changes to the oil cooler, plus the armor for the cooler and oil tank had been increased to 10 and 6mm, respectively. The exhause system also now made use of single pipes."

"Production of the Fw 190A-9 was to have begun in Septemeber/October 1944. Two versions were planned: and A-9/R11 with the TS engine for all-weather combat and an A-9/R8, also with the TS, as a Sturm-jeager with thicker armor. It cannnot be determined with certainty wether the A-9 ever entered full scale production in any great numbers. According to Focke-Wulf documents, a specific deadline had been set for production to begin. In additiion to the previously mentioned conversion kits, it was also planned to have the airplane make use of the R1, R2, R3 and R12. However, RLM files covering actual production numbers make no mention of the A-9. It is just as likely that production was dropped in favor of the F-series, particularly since the anticipated BMW 801F never materialized and the BMW TS and Tu enginse were only delivered in small quanitities."

The BMW801TS/TU or TH wre deliberatly laid out as interim stages toward the planned 801F. The BMW 801TS caused many accidents in its early operational stages because the Kommandogeraet's servo valve often became stuck; as a result, the engine would not respond when throttle was applied on landing approach or during missed approaches. A provisiional solution to this aggravating tendency was the fitting of a so-called "primer" which the pilot could pull it such cases.
The single BMW 801F was installed in an aircraft during the last days of the war for testing purposes. It had been designed as a replacement for the 801D and attained an output of 1764 kw/2400hp.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2002, 03:14:31 PM »
What Nath said.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2002, 03:58:45 PM »
Nath hit the nail on the head.........NOPE to the A9 is my vote.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2002, 03:59:43 PM »
"particularly since the anticipated BMW 801F never materialized and the BMW TS and Tu enginse were only delivered in small quanitities."

AFAIK,  the TS version (not T) was used only by 190A9 and 190F9, if these "small numbers" are only 2 or 3 units, then you probably are right. If the "small numbers" are 100 or more units, then we are talking about some level or real production.


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"The BMW 801TS caused many accidents "
One per 190A9/F9? How much are "many"?

The 190A9 equipped with 801F was certainly a single prototype and the proposed 190A with 801F as standar engine was designed 190A10 (only in drawing boards).
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2002, 04:19:12 PM »
What Karnak said seems much practical and  needed

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2002, 04:19:14 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by eddiek
Nath hit the nail on the head.........NOPE to the A9 is my vote.


LOL that source could have said that 10,000 were built and you would have still said no.

I agree with Karnak, those are better choices to fill in the planeset.

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2002, 04:40:59 PM »
karnak is on the money.........

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2002, 06:03:51 PM »
the A9 was definitivly build in greater quantity than 2-3 planes.

The squad history of JG301/302 "Wilde Sau" list many lost A9 Typ FW.

I think the quantity can be in the range of 150-250 aircraft build.

But anyway, i think there are better additions to the planeset.

I still vote the FW 190 D13 Yellow 10

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2002, 06:50:32 PM »
Looking at plane strength reports, few units list "A-8/A-9" for gruppes not operating D-9 or 109. Musta been more than what Nath said I would gather.


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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2002, 01:44:21 AM »
Hey all, I usually reley more on books then on internet sources, however, in this case I don't get a clear answer from Nath's post, all it says is that it can not be determended wether it enetered full scale production or not. I don't know, I found a nice internet page about it though.

It is a combat report from 26:th november 1944, Fw190 A9 being one of the planes participarting.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/neilpage/JG301.html
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