Author Topic: Fw190A-9 (Read 1403 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2002, 11:15:03 AM »

butch2k, check

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/specs.html

400 built?

Tilt · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2002, 11:24:50 AM »

>The fact that a country industry was being anihilated at the end of the war doesn't mean we should punish the planes that effectively fight in these final days.<

Well IMHO because these few planes can not represent what was generally in action compared to the bulk that were .....yes they should be as you put it "be punished" and put to the back of the queue.

>The efforts needed by Germany to build 200 Fw190A9 may be the same needed by USA to build 3000 P51D.<

What has Germany's efforts got to do with any thing............

Tilt

What was Germany's highest production year for fighter aircraft?

butch2k · « **Reply #32 on:** February 07, 2002, 11:29:34 AM »

I won't trust this data very much, just check the production numbers for the other German aircraft...
The only reliable source so far has been Rodeike's book as he had access to production list of every Focke Wulf factories including those of subcontractors (Arado, Dornier, etc...)

Nath[BDP] · « **Reply #33 on:** February 07, 2002, 05:19:13 PM »

Is it too difficult to post what "Rodieke" book you are referring to?

What happened to the good old days when people would post facts & sources in A&V threads... now it's just a quagmire.

butch2k · « **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2002, 10:50:41 PM »

Sorry, here it is :
Focke Wulf Jagdflugzeug - Fw 190A, Fw 190 "Dora", Ta 152H, Peter Rodeike.

fats · « **Reply #35 on:** February 08, 2002, 01:09:53 AM »

TIlt,

'44

// fats

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #36 on:** February 08, 2002, 03:36:28 AM »

It seems there were a lot of operational 190A9s:

http://www.geocities.com/bookie190/Werkn.htm

Here is even a list of the data sources used by Rodeike:

http://www.geocities.com/bookie190/Docs.htm

Here you will find an excelent dicussion about 190A9 with some performance data:

http://pub73.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm9.showMessage?topicID=15.topic

butch2k · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2002, 04:07:34 AM »

The Wk.Nr. ranges were serial numbers alocated to various factories. Some factories could have been allocated a 500 airframe range while building only 23.
So from those range we could make out that the A-9 was planned for mass production, but it does not give any indication on the actual number produced.

funkedup · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2002, 05:11:03 AM »

Bingo, Butch.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2002, 05:54:14 AM »

butch2k, for a single factory like Cottbus, why to alocate so many blocks if the first ones are still uncompleted? I can understand a planning with 3 or 4 blocks, but since Setp 44 we have 9 blocks with near 2000 fighters only at Cottbus.

202126 – 202319 (194)
202360 – 202450 (91)
202565 - 202590 (26)
205001 – 205100 (100)
205180 – 205300 (121)
205901 – 205999 (99)
206031 – 206200 (169)
207160 – 207800 (641)
208378 – 209913 (535)

Do you have an aproximate number of efectively manufactured 190A8s since Sep44? 190A9 production may have been similar and depending only of the availability of 801TS/TU engines.

butch2k · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2002, 06:17:13 AM »

Several production orders must have been delivered over a few months, each one allocating a couple of Wk.Nr. blocks raher than a single one. Most probably :
First order :
202126 – 202319, 202360 – 202450, 202565 - 202590
Second order :
205001 – 205100, 205180 – 205300
Third order :
205901 – 205999, 206031 – 206200
Subsequent orders (probably early 1945)
207160 – 207800, 208378 – 209913

Several blocks were allocated for each order, so as to disrupt the ennemy intelligence. The last two blocks were probably never used, i'm away from my sources so i can't verify right now.

niklas · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2002, 08:45:05 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by butch2k

Btw the 801TS was 120Kg heavier than the 801D

Do you compare a engine set to a plain engine? TS is afaik an engine set that includes a 801E or F (Power egg). The set includes cooling mechanism, cover plates etc. so this could be the explanation for the higher weight.

niklas

butch2k · « **Reply #42 on:** February 08, 2002, 11:17:51 AM »

No the TS is basically a D with elements from the TH engine, the later proving too troublesome to product. To sum up they fitted the parts of the TH that were working fine on the sound D-2 engine.

niklas · « **Reply #43 on:** February 10, 2002, 04:33:04 PM »

checked my book. It says the TS was equipped with the 801S engine what resembled the E while the engine set resembled the TU.
From ´45 on it was cleared for 2200PS

niklas