Kill/Death busted... or?

[AKSWulfe]

I noticed something peculiar my first night online this tour. I flew one sortie, got 4 deaths and died. Nothing else on there, so I check my score before I log and for some reason I have a 4.0000 kills per sortie while my kill/death is 2.000.

Last night I flew a little more and now I have:
9 kills
4 sorties
1 Capture
1 Ditch
1 Disco
1 Death

I have a  2.5714 k/d ratio. Do discos count as a full death or more? Is there something I missed?

I figured that I would have a 4.5 kill/death at the very least. 1 Disco= 1 Death +1 death... 2 deaths, right? Or do captures and ditches count as deaths too?
-SW

[Urchin]

I *think* captures count as a full death, ditches are either a full or a half, and Disco's count as a half death.

Oh, and I also think that K/D is really K/D+1.  I have to check it though.

Yea, it is K/D+1- I have a K/D of 2.83 with 17 kills vs 3 deaths, 1 bail, and 1 capture- so bails and captures count as a full death.

Last edit for me lol.  Yea, it is K/D+1, so that is right.  1 real death for you, 1 added death (because of the K/D+1), 1 capture (1 death), and one ditch (.5 deaths).  Looks like the Disco's don't count either way.  so 9/3.5 = 2.57

[Fatty]

Disco, capture, and ditch count as 1/2 maybe?  That (and the infamous +1) would give you the 3.5 denominator you'd need for that k/d.

[Wilbus]

From the Help page:


"Death Multipliers


Landed 1.0
Discoed 0.25
Bailed 0.5
Ditched 0.75
Captured 0.4
Killed 0.25
Crashed 0.25"

1 means your kills are multiplied by one, 10 kills 0 deahts = 10x1 = 10K/D.
10 kills 1 killed = 1x0.25 = 2.5 K/D.

[Fatty]

Missed Urchin's response, must be a case where one of the deaths wasn't credited to someone's kill then.  Some of those seem to miss out in the final k/d also.

[Fatty]

Sweet.  Does it say anything in there about bailing, but being shot in your chute?

[AKSWulfe]

Wilbus, I thought those were perk point multipliers?

Thanks for the responses guys, I figured it was more clean cut.. a death counts as a death while captures and ditches just reduce your points gained for that sortie.

Well that answers my question, thanks!
-SW

[Urchin]

Wilbus, that above chart is for perk points I believe, and I think it is wrong anyway.  The 'Landed' modifier is 1.25.  I.E. If I am in a SpitV and I shoot down a SpitV and land it I get 1.25 perkies, while if I get shot down or somehow don't land it, I get 1.

And Fatty- I always thought that if you got shot in your chute you'd actually lose a 'potential' perk point- but I don't think this is the case.  As it is, I think the only perk point modifier that is actually in place is the 1.25 value for landing the sortie, you get a 1.00 value if your sortie ends any other way.

[Nifty]

it's K/D+1 (so add 1 to your total deaths before dividing your kills.)

Ditches count as 0 deaths.
discos count as 0.5 deaths.

150 kills
1 bail
4 ditches
2 captures
66 deaths

gave me a K/D+1 of 2.1429 on the score page

150 / (1 bail + 2 captures + 66 deaths + 1 to grow on) = 2.142857 (where the 142857 repeats ad infinitum)  round that and you get 2.1429.  

I didn't disco that tour, but in tours where I had, if I count the disco as 0.5 deaths in doing the calculation by hand, then I come up with the K/D+1 that's displayed.

as a side note, the score page explicitly says Kills / Deaths + 1 (and Damage / Deaths + 1 for the vs objects section of the score)

[eskimo2]

Deaths are
A death,
A bail
Getting Captured
Discos count as 1/2 a death.

Landing or ditching do not count as any part of a death.

Recalculate by adding all:
fighter deaths, bails and captures +(1/2 discoes) + 1
divided into your total fighter kills.

It will work out perfectly

eskimo

[Wotan]

Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)

9 kills
4 sorties
1 Capture
1 Ditch
1 Disco
1 Death

9/((1*0.5)+0+1+1+1)

9/3.5 = 2.5714xxxxx etc

so formula seems to work

[Widewing]

Originally posted by eskimo2
Deaths are
A death,
A bail
Getting Captured
Discos count as 1/2 a death.

Landing or ditching do not count as any part of a death.

Recalculate by adding all:
fighter deaths, bails and captures +(1/2 discoes) + 1
divided into your total fighter kills.

It will work out perfectly

eskimo

Pardon me, but if bailing results in a death, why bother even having a bailout command? It makes no sense to me......

My regards,

Widewing

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Widewing


Pardon me, but if bailing results in a death, why bother even having a bailout command? It makes no sense to me......

My regards,

Widewing

you get a larger percentage of your perk points if you bail vs if you die.  as such, I rarely bail.  

[Wotan]

also for "air points" you get a better multiplier if you bail and ann even better one if you bail and are not captured.

Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore

TotalDamage =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
 
=plane damage score


+


KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore

=kill score

Death multipliers are as follows


Death Multipliers
 

Landed 1.0
Discoed 0.25
Bailed 0.5
Ditched 0.75
Captured 0.4
Killed 0.25
Crashed 0.25

This has nothing to do with k/d or perk points. They only are used in determining "Air points".

The only thing you get perk wise for a multiplier is 1.25 for landing safely. You get nothing  for bailing ditching dieing etc.....

Land get *1.25

anything else is 0

[Wotan]

fyi theres been 2 or three threads from about a week or so ago in which perks/ranks etc has been discussed.

Hitech explained a few things as well as myself they are quite helpful in understanding the "scoring" system in ah.

S!

Wotan