New CT set up for Feb.9,The Channel 1944

[Wilbus]

Thanks Staga, have most of that info in my Luftwaffe book I think, some new things to me though such as the 6000kg load (GREAT!). Would DEFINATLY be the best choice for a heavy buff for the LW, although only 200 may have entered service, that is more then enough, don't come and say that 200 is a low nukber of airplanes in service please.

Btw Staga, EXELENT climb speed of it, 260 m/s Almost like an SU27

I'd exchange the s for a "min" though

[hblair]

These will put you in the mood:





Heres some specs I found  here:

Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Sub Contractor: Arado Flugzeugwerke
Type: Six-Seat Heavy Bomber and Missile carrier
Models: A-0 to A-5
First Flight:
V-1: November 19, 1939
A-0: November 1941
Service Delivery:
A-1: March 1942
A-5: February 1943
Engine: 2 Daimler-Benz DB 610A-1/B-1
Thrust: 2,950lb
Note: Each engine comprised of two V12 liquid cooled engines geared to one propeller.

Dimensions:
Span: 31.44m (103 ft. 1� in.)
Length: 22m (72 ft. 2 in.)
Height: 6.4m (21 ft.)

Weights: (A-5)
Empty: 37,038lb. (16,800 kg)
Loaded: 68,343lb (31,000kg)

Performance:
Maximum (at 41,000lb.): 295mph (472km/h)
Initial Climb: 853 ft/min (260m/min)
Service Ceiling: 26,500 ft (7080m)
Range with Fritz or Hs 293 missle: 3,107 miles (5000km)
 Armament: A-5/R2:
One 7.92mm MG 81J manually aimed in nose
   Ammunition: 2000 rounds
One 20mm MG 151 manually aimed in forward ventral gondola
   Ammunition: 300 rounds
Two 13mm MG 131 in remote front dorsal turret
   Ammunition: 750 rounds per gun
One 13mm MG 131 in electric aft dorsal turret
   Ammunition: 750 rounds
One 20mm MG 151 cannon in in tail position
   Ammunition: 300 rounds

Bomb Load: A-5/R2:
Sixteen 110 lb. (50kg) SC 50, four 551 lb. (250-kg) SC 250 or two 1,102 lb. (500 kg) SC 500, or two LMA III parachute sea mines, LT 50 torpedos, or Hs 293 of FX 1400 missiles.


Production:
8 Prototypes
35 He 177A-0 (Mainly Arado built)
130 He 177A-1 (Arado built)
170 He 177A-3 (Heinkel Built)
826 He 177A-5


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Comments
Arguably the largest bomber built by the Germans, the He 177 suffered many flaws and turned into one of the Luftwaffe's biggest failures (when compare service use to the amount of resources invested.) A significant problem that plagued the program from the beginning was a ludicrous requirement that this extremely large aircraft be capable of dive bombing. This combined with the attempt to reduce drag by coupling the engines, while theoretically sound, proved to be impossible in practice for no aircraft in history had engines that would so readily burst into flame. 75% of the prototypes crashed and a good percentage of the 35 A-0 pre-production airframes were written off in crashed or in-flight fires.
About 700 served on the eastern front using 50mm and 75mm guns for tank-busting while a few brave aircrews ineffectually bombed England.
The He 177 proved to be such a big problem that Goering forbid Heinkel to develope a four engine version (though Heinkel did anyways, the result being the He 277).

[Staga]

This 4*MG131 tail-turret would be almost as nice to have than one MG151/20mm. Only a prototype, HL131V.


btw This is screenshot from M$ Flightsim He177 cockpit.

[Kronos]

Question is LW'ers,  which would you rather want for game balancing, the B-17, or Lancaster?

Of course, its entirely up to brady or whoever is planning the event as to what they think would best be suited in this role. And I am not in anyway trying to step in.  I will be there for this setup regardless, not only because I have found the MA boring lately, but I find that the CT setups are getting better and better, and this is no exception.

[Staga]

Maybe one day...

[brady]

After much deliberation we have decided to unperk every thing except the:

Me 262 @ 25

Ar 234 @ 15

Tempest @ 7

  I hope you all have as much fun with this set up as I will:)

[Karnak]

Wilbus,

Compared to the Lancaster and B-17G the He177 was almost non-existant.  There were roughly 1000 He177s produced, and operations with them peaked at about 30 in a given mission.  Compare that with the thousands of B-17s, B-24s, Lancs and Halibags that would be in the air in a given day.

The He177 had no measurable effect on the war.  There simply weren't enough of them.

To imply that the He177 was more significant than the Lancaster is laughable, and by perking the Lancaster while giving a freebie B-17G to represent the He177 that is exactly what is implied.

[Samm]

Why no ta152s ?

[Wilbus]

Karnak, I said DON'T COMPARE it to other planes, 1000 is a big, huge number of planes made actually, and to say it was hardly in the war is WRONG. No, it didn't have any effect on the war, nothing would have considering Hitler was stupid enough (thank god) to start a war with rushia and then US.

The plane saw serice, more than enough to be added to AH and to be added unperked.

Last, I have not said ANYTHING about perking the Lancaster nor have I said anything about the HE177 being as significant as the lancaster! We get the B17, and I am happy about that, we will have something else then a 1941 plane, the B17 is in many ways like the He177, bit slower, better climb, less load and aboust same armement slightly weaker but can fire in all directions.

[Wotan]

i doudt you will see any dedicated lw pilots in anything but fighters.

A few ju88 raids maybe but no matter how many he177s there were they weren't used against targets in england or in the "channel".

The availability of a heavy buff to the axis wont stop or help stop the dedicated group of milkrunners. We need really short rebuild/repair times for structures and ack.


This will force several guys to work together to keep the the fields dead.

For the record I am opposed to field capture in ct.

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Hehe well as a KG200 member, it's nice to see we got our bomber the *Ahem* Dornier 200...