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Offline Swager

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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2002, 06:12:05 PM »
I sign on, pick a plane and field, select a runway and hit the "E" key.  Fly around awhile, shoot at red guys!  

Probably the simplest thing I do all day!  :)
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2002, 06:21:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Widewing


I appreciate your view. I too like to freelance from time to time as well.

Let me address a few comments supplied by others.

Apache: I am a senior project engineer with insane levels of responsibility. So, I do relate to your thoughts on the subject. However, I am also keenly competitive. Just two weeks short of my 49th birthday, I still box (that's right, fight) competitively for fun, fitness and recreation. That gets my adrenaline pumping. So, you can imaging that I really hate being pinged just as much as anyone. So, when I show up for any competition, of any type, I want to kick some ass, be it individually or collectively. This is probably why I boil when I see the enemy gaining an edge where they could have stopped.

I can understand that you feel that you're paying to fly the better aircraft, therefore you want to. However, If you are a good pilot, an attrition system will reward you for being good, or smart. The guys who don't care about dying, suddenly will care, or lose their favorite toy for the day. I think it will better balance the arena, and watch the suicide HO attacks fall off significantly.

Xbat: I tend to take competition seriously. A personality fault? Maybe, but that's my nature. Moreover, I want my team to excel. They can do that without giving up any of the fun. The problem is convincing others. Certainly, one can freelance and furball within the context of the overall goal, which is to beat the hell out of the opposition forces. Remember, there are advantages in tying up considerable numbers of the enemy in furballs. At least as long as this contributes to the overall goal at the time.

What really bothered my yesterday was the mindless pursuit of northern airfields. When I asked why this focus on moving north, while ignoring the south, I was told "because we can". That sort of logic makes me crazy in any circumstance.

I only ask that everyone consider their fun within the context of the environment and the game overview. Then, everyone can have some satisfaction.

My regards,

Widewing


Just to clarify and certainly not to be argumentative, my position isn't one of "flying the better planes". It is the choice to fly whatever I choose, when I choose, be it uber a/c or not.

Am I a good pilot? Statistically speaking, I fall in the 200+ kill, less than 50 death per tour category. Does that qualify as a good pilot? Who knows.

Again, I am not attempting to counter your point or discourage any ideas you may have ref. to game play. Just wanted you to know where those of us who squelch "WE NEED HELP IN THE SOUTH YOU IDIOTS!" are coming from.

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2002, 06:42:39 PM »
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Widewing, I was one of the ‘clueless twits’ helping to direct traffic up North yesterday, so I guess I should reply to your post.  First of all, you seem very upset, so I guess an apology is in order.  If my actions of moving North ruined some of your gaming pleasure, I am truly sorry for that, and it was not intended.  I certainly subscribe to the theory of letting people do what they want in this game.  Sometimes I like to do something organized, sometimes I just want to furball.  To each his own, its only, as they say, a game.

I don’t profess to be a grand strategist, I only play this game as a diversion from real life, and to have a few laughs with friends, but let me explain my thoughts about last nights situation.  Again, I may have been way off base, but what the heck, it’s only a virtual life anyways ;).

When I logged on about 9pm EST, the Bishops had about half the map, and we and the Knights about a quarter each.  All three countries were fighting a two front war, which, given the way the map was divided, added up to a Bishop reset in my book.  So, knowing the Damned, a large Knight Squad, had Squad Night on Sunday, I talked to them about moving North against the Bishops, telling them our Squad would do the same.  They agreed, and the race was on :).

By the time I logged, we took about six bases from the Bishop, and it seemed like the Knights took about ten, and the Knights and Rooks traded a couple bases back and forth down South.  The map stood at a third Rook, third Knight and third Bishop.  I congratulated the Bishops on a fine defense against a strong two-prong attack and logged.

Widewing, please send me an e-mail at dawg898@fuse.net so we can talk some more about this.  I feel terrible that you are so upset, heck, I don’t think I’ve made anyone this mad in all my years of gaming.  I’d like to make it up to you if there is any way I can!

Cya Up!


Well, to begin, I must apologize for presenting my frustration (in that post last night) with all the manner of a 1st class Dickhead. Using terms such as "clueless twit" are unjustified and equally undignified. I regret my tone and inflection. Hopefully you can accept this as a poor substitute for an in-person apology. But, since the insult was public, my apology must be public too.

On to the strategy. I'm a firm believer in not surrendering territory that has been paid for with sweat. At least not without being forced to do so. Within this context, I found the attack north, regardless of offline agreements, to be wasteful in that it allowed the generally unopposed loss of two critical bases in the south. Compounding this was the loss of a task force, which could not be replaced with the corrosponding loss of the southern port. Now, since it appears that it is difficult at best to organize anything in the MA, stopping the momentum of anything that does get started seems impossible. And, that's what this is, momentum. Success breeds success, so, once the horde of players sees the enemy fold, they continue to attack. Understandable. However, it is not generally prudent to reach beyond one's grasp. Most of my frustration was founded in the actions that took place earlier in the afternoon. When I logged on in the evening, the northern attack had apparently continued, but at least much of the Knits forces were now pounding the Bishes. Typically, the Knights were taking our bases with less than twenty attackers. No more than that were required at 18 because there were no more than four defenders. Had 5 or 6 players joined the defense before the field went down, we could have held it. As it was, my constant requests for assistance finaly paid off with individuals who came to 17 after we began fighting off attacks. By midnight we had enough people to retake 18. Even as I write this (7:15 PM), we still don't have A19 and P21 back. So, that loss is still haunting the Rooks.

A balanced offense is absolutely necessary when faced with a two-front war. You can certainly concentrate on one front, but you cannot afford to ignore the other. That happened Saturday evening, leading to a reset. I cannot overstate the value of ports. The ability to have mobile airfields and bombardment capability is a key to success. A one-two punch of a task force and land based airpower can dominate any area on the map.

One more point. Few understand that the best way short of capturing fields is to put the field out of service. Since we lack any sort of attrition effect, the concept of using bombers as bait to draw up fighters (as was done in the ETO during WWII) won't work. However, we can use fighters to draw up fighters, keeping them occupied while heavy bombers knock out any supporting fields, this allowing for much easier captures. Indeed, there are many effective strategies that can be employed in the MA. One factor that can never be underestimated is this: Your enemy cannot attack you if his resources are pinned to their own fields. There's no doubt that many more bombers would go a long way to keeping the enemy off guard. Yet, most players are not here to fly bombers.

Anyway, I will be happy to discuss the many possibilities in an e-mail. And, no, you were not responsible for my being torqued last evening. It was the situation in general that had me crazy.

My regards,

Widewing
« Last Edit: February 11, 2002, 06:48:45 PM by Widewing »
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2002, 11:07:40 AM »
Widewing agreed that the effective use of bombers is key in stopping an enemy offensive or capturing territory. Bombers can be used in a very good tactical role in AH in support of fighters and JABOs.

As you say if you are trying to capture a base bombers need not only to hit that base but the supporting bases. They need to target fuel first (since it stays down for 30 min) and then FHs (stay down for 15 minutes). If successful this really cuts the legs out of the defenders upping from the supporting base since they are upping with only 25% fuel and if you get the FHs can't up fighters. Timing is crucial as well as suppressing the target bases and then setting up a fighter screen to defend against enemy planes coming from a supporting base.

Same tactics can be used to stop an enemy offensive. This time your fighters setup a defensive screen and tie down the enemy fighters .. really go at them tooth and nail. Meanwhile you up buffs from a rear base and have them gain alt (of course this means the fighter screen has to hold on for about 30 minutes) and then strike the bases the enemy is upping from. Again targetting fuel but also targetting ammo and barracks. If successful while the enemy can still up fighters they will come up with 25% fuel, no ordinance, and can't up troops for 30 minutes. Which usually stops an offensive in its tracks if your fighters screen holds.

Key to all of this is fighter/jabo forces and bomber forces working together supporting each other. This is sort of hard to coordinate on a individual level which is why many of the Rook squads are now working together to try to do it on a squad level. Squads tasked for bomber work and attacking supporting bases .. others switched to southern fronts to hold the line while main offensive continues and what not.
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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2002, 12:31:08 PM »
I too am sorry if actions in the North upset those fighting valiantly in the south.  

Earlier I ran some bomber training for those interested in my squadron.  After our training we can to the MA.   I lead a group of 6 bomber for several runs.  In that time we caputured several bases.   I was working in consert with other squads on thier squadnight.  This is something we enjoy and really enjoy working as a large group.

Just another comment,  I wonder if there was actualy 3 fronts going that night.   You in the South, We in the north (A10, A9, A53,A52) and those pushing west (A5,A4)  

The CAF often works together with other Rookland Squads,  as we work together, we learn each others strength and needs.  This makes it easy to respond to each others needs at the same time.  If I see any of the COs or Command staff of a rookland squad asking for assistance, if Im able, I try to respond.  There is many others just like that.  

Id really recommend that widewing and pimpjoe both consider talking more in depth with Dawg, GhostDancer or Myself.  I can be reached at GrimmRP@Centurytel.net    I would mail you, but I dont have Email addresses for you guys.

To be honest, Id really like to work side by side with you guys also.   Being a Rook is the best thing in AH.  Why? because we as a country DO attempt to work together.  I pains me when we dont.  

Again, my apoligies that we didnt see the needs in south and respond.

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2002, 05:05:48 PM »
Any help needed, always feel free to message me. I'm more interested in helping the team than improving my score.