Author Topic: Fighting In The Vertical Plane (Read 537 times)

SirLoin · « **on:** February 11, 2002, 10:10:42 AM »

I've been flying FW's for the last 6 weeks and it is a totally new and exciting experience!!!

Just when I was getting slightly confident on my Spit/P51/Tempest skills,I decided to try the vertical and angles aspect of fighting...Whoooooaaaaaa!

I have a whole lot of respect for these FW jocks now...Darn things are bloody good!..It's a whole new learning curve on it's own trying to use your roll/"E" bleed rate vs his turning/climbing rate...Best of all,it's completely difficult and immersive as hell!!!

Reminds me a bit of a Spiderman episode...The one where he approaches a floating door in space and the doorknob turns into a red hand tempting ol' Spidey to grasp it...He does...He gets sucked in as he hears the Satanic voice say "Welcome to the fourth dimension!!!"....

If you think you're a superhero in a turnplane,I say give the FW a try and..."Welcome To The Vertical Dimension!!!...Muhahahaha!!!"..

Octavius · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2002, 10:56:34 AM »

muahaha you're hooked! Now go and fly your spit like a FW or 109 for some more fun

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2002, 11:01:42 AM »

Wellcome onboard SirLoin

Apar · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2002, 11:03:54 AM »

Sirloin,

Good to see you try the FW's out,

Apar

Fariz · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2002, 11:07:52 AM »

Spit IX is one of the greatest energy fighter in the game. For the last year I probably saw only one person who used Spit IX the way, it shall be used. It was Khan.

In expirienced hands Spit IX is absolutly deadly, it has both verticals and horizontals, punch, enough ammo, and yet not so slow as you can think.

Fariz

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2002, 11:48:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
Spit IX is one of the greatest energy fighter in the game. For the last year I probably saw only one person who used Spit IX the way, it shall be used. It was Khan.

Khan ran from even odds and only engaged with substantial altitude AND numbers advantages. How is that using the Spit IX correctly? I could fly a 202 this way and rack up kills.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Fariz · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2002, 12:29:02 PM »

Yes, that is how Spit IX shall be used. It means you shall engage only when you have an energy advantage, and disengage when you has energy disadvantage. And when spit can't ran away, which happens often, it still can turn the table by careful e managment, building your e, and wastng enemy e. It may be borring, but if we speak it terms of K : D its how it shall be flown. Putting it into turn fights at every possible case is wasting big part of its potential. At least its how I understand it.

Yes, even 202 can be an energy fighter, if used as an energy fighter, but it just not good for this role against MA plane set.

Fariz

Hooligan · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2002, 12:41:56 PM »

Real pilots were engaged in missions which often forced them to accept combat on unfavorable terms. For example they couldn't just abandon the bombers if enemy fighters that are higher and/or more numerous showed up. Being able to fight effectively when starting at a disadvantage is a very useful skill and everybody (no matter how careful they are) will find themselves in this situation upon occasion. Accepting combat under all conditions, such as Leviathin does, is the only way you get practice to develop this skill. Because he does this Leviathinn can be an enormous pain in the butt to fight.

Surely there are people who fight stupidly while flying spitfires. But there are also people who fight very well and don't needlessly waste energy (or other resources): and this is not limited to those who only engage if they have an advantage.

Hooligan

mrfish · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2002, 01:36:18 PM »

rollercoaster!

i love vertical moves - vert scissors (the rollercoaster) has saved me i dont know how many times....

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2002, 01:46:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Fariz
Yes, that is how Spit IX shall be used. It means you shall engage only when you have an energy advantage, and disengage when you has energy disadvantage.

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This is a general strategy for flying in AH. You'll find players who follow these rules of engagement flying all types of planes -- Spit IX, P-38, P-47, P-51, Typhoon, 109G10, etc etc. The Spit IX certainly doesn't have a monopoly on "smart" flying. Nor does it energy fight better than all other planes. If I had to choose, I'd take a G10 any day in this role over a Spit IX.

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And when spit can't ran away, which happens often, it still can turn the table by careful e managment, building your e, and wastng enemy e. It may be borring, but if we speak it terms of K : D its how it shall be flown. Putting it into turn fights at every possible case is wasting big part of its potential. At least its how I understand it.

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And now you've just hit upon exactly why K/D is such a poor objective measure of skill. What Khan does is boring, at least to me, and it takes more patience than skill. You also raise a question of which measures deserve more merit. If we go by K/T rather than K/D, Khan ranks poorly (under 0.0020 in every tour I checked). In addition, his K/S appears mediocre given the way he flies (~2 most tours).

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Yes, even 202 can be an energy fighter, if used as an energy fighter, but it just not good for this role against MA plane set.

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I flew the 202 as an energy fighter out of boredom one night and managed to cherry pick five kills in one mission with it. Even the 202's crappy guns make mincemeat of enemies at 100 yards out when they don't see you coming. The 202 performed admirably in this role, as would any fighter plane. I bet I could even fly a light B-26 this way and make out reasonably well.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Fariz · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2002, 01:59:32 PM »

And where I said that pilot shall not be able to fly from disadvantage?

What I am saying is that he shall avoid disadvantage fights whenever possible. And because Spit IX has not enough speed to run away, pilot shall when possible keep its potential energy high, and use verticals more often, than horizontals to keep it high. That is what 190a5 pilot shall do, but in case of 190 you have no choice, while in Spit you have it. In case of Spit IX for majority of its pilots its good turning capability shade much more effective use of it. I do not say there are no effective spit pilots, I say they can be more effective if will use all its capabilities, not most apparent of them. Again, effective in terms of sirvivability and k : d.

Fariz

SirLoin · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2002, 07:12:24 PM »

I think I had a flash of momentary insanity like StSanta did flying the American planes...

Luftwobble experiment..OVER!!!

Hello Green Machine!!!(P51b)...

funkedup · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2002, 07:35:18 PM »

Once you learn how to kill without turning, it's pretty easy to get kills and live in anything fast. Speed kills.

Hangtime · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2002, 07:55:01 PM »

I get my kicks by getting my plane to do ACM that it's NOT noted for being able to do... being entirely unpredictable is often the best move in the bag.

Anybody that puts his mind in a rut, flying only to the planes strengths will fly right into the sights of the guy that knows that path as well as you do. Turn the tables.. do the unexpected.

Octavius · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2002, 09:42:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
I get my kicks by getting my plane to do ACM that it's NOT noted for being able to do... being entirely unpredictable is often the best move in the bag.

Anybody that puts his mind in a rut, flying only to the planes strengths will fly right into the sights of the guy that knows that path as well as you do. Turn the tables.. do the unexpected.

Exactly Hangtime! Thats how I get my kills... some time in the heat of the fight, I pull down my pants and moon the enemy. They become paralyzed and lawn dart shortly thereafter.