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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2002, 10:33:26 PM »
Edit film (this is a serious answer)





Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Re: Am I the only one disappointed?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2002, 10:38:08 PM »
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I don't know. The news of what's happening in 1.09 leaves me kinda cold. I was expecting a full Bomber Makeover, and instead we get a film editor?



Dude, this ain't just a "film editor."

Long ago, a guy wrote a utility for Air Warrior called VFILM.  It allowed you to view AW films from any location and distance, and allowed you to hop into the cockpit of any plane in that film.  

Want to see how that Spitty made such easy meat out of you?  Pull the film into VFILM and see what the pilot saw just before you went *BOOM.*

Want to see where that FW was before he teleported out of nowhere and blew you away?  Pull the film into VFILM and watch the action from a distance.

What we're getting here is VFILM, bigger and better.  That's not a big surprise, as the author of VFILM was known as HiTech, and legend has it that his work on VFILM convinced him that it would be fun to write a WWII combat flight sim of his own.  Maybe you've heard of him.

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2002, 10:48:38 PM »
I'll say!!! This is an amazing feature.  Let me tell you what I did earlier this evening;
1. I played films I had taken in 800x600 because that's the best
    resolution that my ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder can output to the
   monitor.
2. These films were played out to my Sony DV camcorder in order
    to create a DV tape
3. I then captured this film back into the computer using Pinnacle Studio DV
4. The resulting clips were edited, titled and an impressive march sound track added.
5. I finally pumpted this wonder out to a 5.5 MB mpg file.
6. Now I'm wondering where I can upload this 1:40 second masterpiece so I can share it with my m8s

The new .avi generating video editor will save me the first three steps.  You think Pearl Harbor had action sequences, just wait.
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video editor + making AVI's out of it is MUCH better than having buffs in formation.

The buffs will come, but hot damn, AVI!! WOOOOHOOO!!

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2002, 11:29:38 PM »
and allowed you to hop into the cockpit of any plane in that film.

OH! And it's better?

Well, now that you said that. Hell yes. Thats some cool toejam.

Thanks for the info. I seriously can't stand not knowing what things are all about, had I known that I would have really been interested in the update. How did you find this stuff PB?

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2002, 11:36:51 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2002, 11:52:31 PM »
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and allowed you to hop into the cockpit of any plane in that film.

OH! And it's better?

Well, now that you said that. Hell yes. Thats some cool toejam.

Thanks for the info. I seriously can't stand not knowing what things are all about, had I known that I would have really been interested in the update. How did you find this stuff PB?


Pyro said so in the announcement, here:

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In addition to allowing you to edit your films, this new app has many useful new features. In addition to seeing plane type and distance information, you will also see the ID’s of the pilots of enemy aircraft, and see readouts of their speed and altitude. You will also be able to move your viewpoint to other aircraft in your films instead of just being slaved to your own.


VFILM was the toejam.  The graphics were just wireframes, you couldn't edit films with it (I think,) there was no AVI exporter, and it didn't work on any of the film formats that were current when I was flying AW (HT had moved on by then,) but it was AWESOME to be able to see an engagement from all sides. The new film editor sounds like VFILM on steroids.  I guess that makes it the toejam's toejam, and I'm looking forward to it.

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2002, 11:57:00 PM »
I could have worded that better.

I should have just said I didn't know toejam about the film editor, and would rarely ever use it, which for me might be true to some extent.

 However, if you can see nme icon AND jump in their cockpits, the ACM tool on how guys kill you is fantastic. This IS a great addition to the game itself. More for others than me cuz I really am just into the gameplay no matter the outcome, but hell yah I'd use it.

Plus it explains the time for 1.09. That must be a huge task.

And the "Oh it's better" part means there is all kinda stuff I didn't know about, which fortunately brings out the point, Make this Info available." I didn't play all of hiTechs other inventions, therefore Im clueless on em.

Lemme have the scoop readily available.

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2002, 12:09:44 AM »
My mistake :D

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2002, 12:18:43 AM »
Not particularly disappointed by the news of buff-formation changes
 delay. In fact, i think this is the FIRST OFFICIAL WORD EVER
 that mentioned this buff formation thing was scheduled at a certain
 date or patch. All we had so far was a SimHQ article saying HTC was
 planning on it...   we were never sure it would be 1.09 or some other
 upgrade. All  wild and hopeful specualtions so far.

 However, the film viewer/editor is a TOTALLY UNEXPECTED
 function that people kept asking for on forums - even up to recently,
 and everybody assumed that it would be introduced after some other
 priorities were done over. I say this is a very very pleasant gift to us
 AH fans around. Two thumbs up!

 I say there are no such thing as 'priorities'. Everything is a priority,
 and even the slightest refinement, change or enhancement in graphics
 is as thrilling for me as been given a new plane to toy with.

 Huzzah to HTC!

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2002, 01:48:07 AM »
In fact, i think this is the FIRST OFFICIAL WORD EVER
that mentioned this buff formation thing was scheduled at a certain
date or patch


I can't dig far enough to quote what I had asked for a year ago regarding the Buff's, this very thing actually. Never heard of it before then, nor until now. It's on the BBS somewhere.

What sucks is people quoting game updates when yes, where was this official update announced before?

HTC needs to get out of the secrecy of what they are doing. Had they had the IL-2 quality engine ready for 400 people on a server 2 months ago, I could see the shroud of secrecy. I think they are adding planes and a viewer, however how could I actually know in detail?

This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for. Why promote negative PR when you could be enticing them?

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2002, 02:17:03 AM »
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VFILM was the toejam.  The graphics were just wireframes, you couldn't edit films with it (I think,) there was no AVI exporter, and it didn't work on any of the film formats that were current when I was flying AW (HT had moved on by then,) but it was AWESOME to be able to see an engagement from all sides. The new film editor sounds like VFILM on steroids.  I guess that makes it the toejam's toejam, and I'm looking forward to it.


I've still got vfilm and a buncha AW training clips archived on disk here.   I badgered HT every single time I saw him for a WB version of vfilm.  :)  

Even if it were just wireframes like in vfilm, the rest of the options would make it an indespensible training tool.  

And output to AVI.  I think I may cream myself. :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2002, 02:29:59 AM »
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In fact, i think this is the FIRST OFFICIAL WORD EVER
that mentioned this buff formation thing was scheduled at a certain
date or patch


I can't dig far enough to quote what I had asked for a year ago regarding the Buff's, this very thing actually. Never heard of it before then, nor until now. It's on the BBS somewhere.

What sucks is people quoting game updates when yes, where was this official update announced before?

HTC needs to get out of the secrecy of what they are doing. Had they had the IL-2 quality engine ready for 400 people on a server 2 months ago, I could see the shroud of secrecy. I think they are adding planes and a viewer, however how could I actually know in detail?

This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for. Why promote negative PR when you could be enticing them?

(Door is open AKDeja, cartwheel in. Sweep the pom poms when you leave, heh)


How many companies do you know of that publically broadcast what they have in the works?  When that knowledge could certainly benifit their competitors?  Not very many.  It's just not good business sense.

And many things change in a business such as this, often quite suddenly.   It's possible that something they have in mind to do just simply does not work.  Looks alot worse for them to have to say "what we promised you isn't gonna happen" than it is for people to just be in the dark as to many of the future plans.   Which is exactly why you're not likely to see any solid confirmation of anything unless it's all but done & ready to go.  AFAIK, there was never any confirmation anywhere that the bomber stuff was for sure in 1.09.  

If you're paying for the game in any other state than the one it's in right now, maybe you shouldn't be.  Paying for a product in the hopes that it'lll become something fun for you isn't a terribly intelligent thing to do.  I uderstand exactly what I'm paying for.  I think it's worth well more than what it costs me as it is.  Any further improvements are just icing on the cake.

As far as knowing what's in the updates, do you bother to read the posts from HTC in their news forum?    

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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2002, 02:32:37 AM »
It all sounds just peachy to me. Just peachy.

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2002, 04:26:24 AM »
Are we talking about 1.088 patch or 1.09 ????

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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2002, 04:44:37 AM »
I cant even respond. Bashing every sentence of your stupidity is beyond my efforts. I've never seen so much posted be so wrong and easy to just bash, that I'm perplexed where to start !

To the point I just lose interest and laugh in awe.

Thats never been done before. Wow.