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Offline DblTrubl

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2002, 10:53:58 PM »
I have to agree with Wilbus, ammo. The D11 wins against the A5 in a low speed knife fight. Frenchy and I demonstrated this to each other many times in the CT one night when we were the only ones on.

At first Frenchy was in the jug of course, but we switched off after several fights. If the A5 uses its advantage in climb rate to get above the jug, it can BnZ almost at will. The jug pilots only hope is to get in a shot after an overshoot by the FW. If however, the FW pilot gets too aggressive and tries to turn with the D11 for too long, its all over. It just cant match the jugs low speed turn.

Yes, this was the 1.08 D11 we were flying and I think I still have the film, if you're interested.

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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2002, 11:11:07 PM »
Only thing keeping me from flying the 38 more is that dang 400ias compression.

I love my D30 jug :D

Keep to those leatherencrustedstalebeernsau sage wannabes ya luftwabbles, hehe  :p

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2002, 11:16:33 PM »
About the B being faster, it is, but only between about 13-16k and again above 25k.
As for turning better, thats an over-simplification. It only cause the D is slightly heavier - ie bigger wingloading.  But take up a D with with only 4 50s and you will find them evenly matched, but the D is faster at most alts, and has a better view.

The B is a nice change if ya wanna fly above 25K otherwise IMO the D is superior.
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2002, 02:46:20 AM »
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Tiger I tank? You're joking right? 38 eats as much lead as the next 109/spit/yak. Only thing is its wings dont snap as easily as the others AND it has another engine to keep it going.. and 2 rudders too.


P38 takes WAY more hits to down than any other plane (except p47) at the moment, even in a frontal attack blazing 20mm guns at it. If I fight one in a LW bird I only win when I manage to take of a wing or wing tip and that takes allot of hits. Snapshots during the fight won't hardly do any damage (If I'm lucky I get a engine oil leak on one of his engines).

I made the stupid mistake of trying to HO one last weekend in the CT in a 109g2. After first merge we both turned into eachother and ended up HO approach. It went to my mind to break away from HO but I didn't (stupid mistake!!!!!!). I opened fire at 800 to where we passed eachother and so did he. We both got full sprites all callibers into eachother ( I don't miss HO's, neither does Animal).
I lost about everthing needed to keep that 109 in the air, he lost a wingtip.

It is one of the toughest birds in AH.

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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2002, 07:26:02 AM »
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I have to agree with Wilbus, ammo. The D11 wins against the A5 in a low speed knife fight. Frenchy and I demonstrated this to each other many times in the CT one night when we were the only ones on.

At first Frenchy was in the jug of course, but we switched off after several fights. If the A5 uses its advantage in climb rate to get above the jug, it can BnZ almost at will. The jug pilots only hope is to get in a shot after an overshoot by the FW. If however, the FW pilot gets too aggressive and tries to turn with the D11 for too long, its all over. It just cant match the jugs low speed turn.

Yes, this was the 1.08 D11 we were flying and I think I still have the film, if you're interested.


I've never dueled him in the D11, but we did do 190 against D30.  I suppose I'll have to try out the A5 against the D11, but the D30 turns about as well as the 190A8 in a sustained turn.  Starting from 300 mph or so, if an A5 goes into a hard break turn, the P47-D30 will be able to pull hard enough to get lead once, or maybe twice.   After that the A5 will be turning much better (I gained about 1 circle in 3).

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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2002, 07:37:40 AM »
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Wonder if they come in LW colours?


Hmm... You mean something like this?



Or maybe more like this?



BUT if we get one of those, then I will demand to get the following one...



:D :cool: :p
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2002, 08:05:47 AM »
Did any of u noticed the 190D9 having the EXACT same climbing speed as 190A5 avobe 15k?

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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2002, 08:53:22 AM »
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG GGGGGGGGG :mad:

I will hunt you all, you will die a horrible and painful death for desecrating a jug like that :D

I'll get you my pretty, and your little wulf too! :p

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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2002, 09:35:03 AM »
Oh Yah... now they come out of the woodwork ;)

Last week when I wrote a post about how good the F6F-5 was now, I got boo'd down and told I was insane.  Now, everyone wants to fly one :p

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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2002, 10:26:21 AM »
Don't know how you cvhaps can prefer the 51D to the B.

The D, while more efficient and with ebtter vis/guns (I think), is a wussie plane.

It's all silver and shiny. All clean looking, like a girl preparing for a party with her dolls.

The B looks more like a LW fighter. Much preferrable.

51's can quite easily reverse the situation with FW's, I've discovered. When I'm in D9, my hope for reversing from being the attacked to being the attackee is to outclimb the sucker, or spiral dive, using my roll rate to get the 51 off my 6.

In pony, I simply loop with the chap. If he's aggressive, he'll lose. If he's in a D9, he might keep his e a little bit longer, but will in the end either have to run or have me on his 6.

Amazing plane.

Maybe I should use the MA as a training ground, and the CT as the real war - where I am LW...dunno. Learning to fly these allied fighters give ame a good idea of what to do and what not to do when fighting them in WL birds.

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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2002, 01:07:04 PM »
There is an interesting thing about flying aircraft that you are not used to.  In my experience you are just a little more careful in them, and you really appreciate the things they do well that your normal ride doesn't.  The combination makes them seem better than they are.  If you fly P-47s the German stuff seems to have amazing climb and acceleration.  If you fly 190s, 38's seem to turn like a monster and the gun ballistics are a dream.  Once the romance is over nothing seems quite so uber (Tempest excluded).  The truth is that with a few exceptions most of the fighters in AH are competent aircraft and quite deadly if used well.  Even a guy like Leviathian (who admittedly does not suck as much as Drex) can get an occasional kill in the pathetically slow Spit V.

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2002, 08:31:37 AM »
I strongly agree with almost anything StSanta said, at the moment i switched to almost only flying Allied aluminium in the MA.
Beside 1-2 Sorties in my beloved D9 everytime i am on (And thats really just because the dam thing looks so good).

F4U-1D, i extremly like this one, if u stay away from the nasty stall, i can do almost everything in it better than with my D9, even scissoring! And those 6x0.5 cals ensure that the 1st gun solution is the only one i need.

P51B, sweet ride, beside that limited 6 view. But it is so light on the controls, can keep E so well and turn on a dime. Today i used it against a YAK, i tried to B&Z that Yak, but he evaded. Than i simply cut throttle, poped out the flaps and followed him through turn, reversals and scissors and finaly ripped him apart. Every move he did, i could counter.

P51D, feels heavy compared to the B, but exellent vis and the 2x0.5 cals more, will save ur bud many times. It's my favoured deacker plane, seems the polished surface blinds the acks gunners.

P47 D30, very nice, too, bit slow in climbing, but roll, dive and turn are exellent. By using flaps i have no had no problem to evade a P51D that bounced me, than forcin him to overshoot and turnfight him on the deck. I surely did about 2-3 full 360 degree turns, than i gained a bit on him and the 8x0.5 cals roared and crippled his engine.

P38, great fighter bomber, but dont like the 420mph compression, but this constant diving and high speed flying is a bad habit from FWs. I am sure i could do better if i keep its speed in the 320-380 range.

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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2002, 09:46:18 AM »
Hooligan is right.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.  I tend to fly all the aircraft (not just one country's), and while each plane has strengths and weakness's, none tend to have a distinct set of advantages.

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F4U-1D, i extremly like this one, if u stay away from the nasty stall, i can do almost everything in it better than with my D9, even scissoring! And those 6x0.5 cals ensure that the 1st gun solution is the only one i need


Naudet, I agree.  I love to fly the Corsair, due to its nimble handling for such a big bird.  But to say it does almost everything better than the Dora is a very large stretch of the truth.

First off, while the Corsair is a fast plane, compared to the Dora its downright SLOW at all altitudes.  The Faster plane controls the fight, especially in an arena filled with La7's.

Climbrate and Acceleration are far and away better in the Dora.  Just look at the charts.  The Corsair climbs like a rock, and currently its climbing even slower than the performance charts, while the Dora is one of the best climbers in the game.

WEP, 5 minutes on the Corsair, 10 minutes on the Dora, enough said.

High Speed Handling is something they both share and both excel at, the Corsairs only advantage is a sustained turn fight and its use of combat flaps.

I guess you can say that the deceleration of the Corsair is better cause you can lower the gear at 300mph, and cause the enemy to overshoot, but its extremely dangerous.

The 6 x .50's on the Corsair are easier to hit with, but take a longer sustained hit to kill.  The cannons on the Dora are harder to hit with (but easily adjusted too), but it kills easier with snapshots and short bursts, due to the damage being more concentrated. Both have large ammo loads as well. True the Corsair is superior at Air to Ground.

Come on Luftwobbles, I know playing with the new toys is fun , lets not exaggerate too much. ;)

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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2002, 10:51:11 AM »
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Even a guy like Leviathian (who admittedly does not suck as much as Drex) can get an occasional kill in the pathetically slow Spit V.


The important thing that you are leaving out.   No one likes him.

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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2002, 11:01:20 AM »
Just when I was going to start learning a LW ride...