Author Topic: Ultimate bombers (Read 542 times)

touchy · « **on:** February 13, 2002, 10:30:58 AM »

I'm sure this will piss off lazs, but I would love to see the grand slam modeled in AH. I'm not talking about a denny's breakfast either. The smalle rbomb pictured is the 12000 lb tall man. The bigger one is 22000 lbs of high explosive. Would be fun to kill entire strat targets in one run. This would place much more emphasis on buff interception which was a critical part of the war. Or at large fields where hangars are clustered many oculd be dropped in on hit.

p.s. If the B29A superfortress were modelled would it be untouchable? Could anything except the 262 intercept it?

NOD2000 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2002, 12:21:03 PM »

i really agree man they should bring the Grand Slam to the Lanaster it was a awsome bomb and could have took out teh smaller air fields in one hit easily. That is why mabey two or three could be used to take out one of the major air fields.

-NOD2000

Sancho · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2002, 12:46:01 PM »

looks like a candidate for "perk" ordinance/loadout, if such a system were ever coded in. otherwise everyone would just take the grand slam everytime...

Tracer-15 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2002, 06:33:34 PM »

no they wouldnt take it all the time.....too heavy....u need a LONG runway WITHOUT anything in the way.....they would be SLOW AS HELL and slow to climb....but only one would be needed to wipe anything off the face of the map

hazed- · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2002, 07:47:58 PM »

12000lb and 22000lb tallboys were for penetration of huge axis bunkers and underground facilities.not for destroying wide areas although id guess it was fairly substantial.Kill an entire base with 1 tallboy? if it could do that then fair enough but can we see some mention of its role or use for this purpose?

It would be usefull for HQ raids for sure.Id like to see it, but taking out bases in one hit killing all nearby will really piss people off i suspect

. Sounds excessive lol

wouldnt 12 or 22 x 1000lbers cause just as much damage? if not more with increased area of effect?

Wotan · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2002, 12:59:03 AM »

with a bomb that large most of its energy would be transfered into the ground on impact and/or up and away. It would still be 1 heck of a shock wave. This is similiar to what the us was using in afghanistan to collapse the tunnels in tora bora. In desert storm the us used a real big bomb and it is reoported that some british soldier thought that maybe a tactical small yield "nuclear blast" has occurred.

Unless they were air burst I dont see a need for them in ah.

I know the us were using air burst artillery rounds at some point in ww2 but I dont if the used air burst bombs. with exception of the 2 nukes used against japan.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2002, 01:42:46 AM »

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p.s. If the B29A superfortress were modelled would it be untouchable? Could anything except the 262 intercept it?

The 262 is completely useless even now to a 30k b17. We don't need superfortress, we have the super-17 and super lanc.

Show me a buff that has the capability to climb to altitudes where it's practically unbeatable, and I'll show you a tard that spends 2-3 hours each day climbing there.

We'd have fields porked all the time by 1 hit wonder buffdweebs who would turn the fight around singlehandedly just because they chose to waste their time by climbing to insane altitudes.

Tracer-15 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2002, 07:48:22 PM »

its not insane they REALLY did go that high

mrsid2 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2002, 12:45:32 AM »

Tracer you missed the point, the current b-17 can already go up there and nothing in this game can touch it. Same applies for the lanc.

Alpo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2002, 08:45:24 AM »

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Originally posted by mrsid2
Tracer you missed the point, the current b-17 can already go up there and nothing in this game can touch it. Same applies for the lanc.

However, with the current "magical" resupply it's hardly worth climbing to those alts. How often do you really see the uber alt HQ raid anymore? It's actually easier to up a squad of C47s to simply repair the damage than it is to thwart the attack with fighters.

A couple of weeks ago, I actually watched our squad hit an HQ and as I observed the "strat" listing, the percentage would drop as bombs hit. I hit refresh and could watch it climb back up as goons dropped supplies not thirty seconds later... come on, the fires weren't even out yet

Yes, you will have the 32k 17/Lanc milker but frankly, if they want to spend that time getting up there, they are welcome to it. I'll just fix their damage in 10 minutes anyway.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2002, 08:58:27 AM »

Alpo the situation gets different however when the numbers are really lopsided (as they usually are) and the defending country has no resources to launch goons.

At those times the statobuffers can really affect the war in a negative sense.

ergRTC · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2002, 12:58:21 PM »

I like strato buffs. If there were more of them, I would be flying the ta 152 much more often. Besides, I agree with those above, if you want to spend 3 hours climbing up there, all power to you, you are using those buffs the way they were designed. If you were a b17 pilot, and you knew that your plane out performed fighters only over 30k, where would you be flying?

If I were in a scenario with one life to give, my buff would be at 30k period.

besides ceiling for lanc is much lower than that around 22k.

Look at the charts......dont know what game your flying.......

ergRTC · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2002, 12:58:57 PM »

and here is the speed chart, got cut off, but the colors are for the same planes.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2002, 04:50:01 PM »

Save your charts ergrtc. The main problem at those altitudes is that buffs outturn all fighters + can gun them down because the fighters can't do effective evasives..

Lanc can give a 109 a very hard time even at 15k when the gunner uses his rudder effectively.

IRL buffs didn't go up there alone, drop 4-5 top-of-the-line fighters and return home after dropping their bombs. Here they do.

ergRTC · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2002, 05:19:37 PM »

I like the charts.

Ta handles fine up there, so does the p51b and p38/p47. 109 handles like dog vomit at those speeds anyway.

The last bit is true though, a lone buff shouldnt down 4-5 fighters. At the same time. If they down four fighters not working together on the same buff at the same time, then that is accurate. I have seen statements to the effect that the average lw pilot (non ace) didnt have enough ammo on a 109 to down a b-17.

I also am a backer of the 'make the buff stronger and the guns weaker' camp.