Author Topic: P-51B why no body like it? (Read 1055 times)

Viper17 · « **on:** February 13, 2002, 04:07:03 PM »

I was cruis around BWidows room the other day when i stumbeled upon this weird green horse. I look and see that its a Mustang B. I found a strange attaction to the green horse. probibly because it looks like my pet snake:D But other than that i looked at the armiment. 4 .50. hmm not that bad 2 less than the stang D. than i looked at the ordinance. 2 100, 500 or 1,000lb bombs and 6 tubed rockets. not that bad i thought so i saddeled up adugested my views around the canopy frames. Hit the button and went on sailing down the run way full load out and all. Sudenly out of my cockpit i see a 109 comeing strate at me. i drop my load and turn to HO him (or her)

as soon as i start fireing he drops out of the sky and hits the ground. My first kill in my new ride:D I got one more befor a spit got the best of me. Then i uped agen and blasted a La7, Then a IL2 and then a Dora. Prety good concidering i have no stick. ha ha verry funny bad choice of words i know:p But i found useing things people dont use verry much is verry good. Here is a Pic. I was suprised. but then looked at an A-36. The A-36 was the Mustangs Grandps (it was armed with 4 .20's and 1,100 pounds of bombs) They look so similar. maby the A-36 will show up with working dive flaps.

-ammo- · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2002, 04:43:56 PM »

great little AC. Even the gun package which noone seems to respect is highly underated.

Vruth · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2002, 05:05:21 PM »

The A36 is a slow pig and doesn't have much use in the MA. The 51B, however, is a sweet ride but doesn't have much teeth. I usually require at least 2 passes on an skilled opponent to bring him down in my 51D. The 51B is a CQC aircraft - you gotta get close and hit in the right spot to take down your opponent. Oh yeah, forget taking down any bomber or hardened opponent with the B.

But then again, wtf do I know...

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funkedup · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2002, 05:06:39 PM »

It's a lot of fun. I flew it for about a month before the Big Week scenario. Not a great dogfighter but you can make some sharp maneuvers as long as you don't sustain them. Use the combat flaps when you need to turn hard. Be very careful with fuel. At 75% or above it has very strange stall and spin behavior. At 50% or below it has very sweet handling in all speed ranges.

Hooligan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2002, 05:27:21 PM »

Guns just aren't that great. Sure you can make em work but there are lots of rides that have 50% to 100% more firepower. If it had 2 20mms it would be filling the skys amid cries of dweebstang.

Hooligan

Widewing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2002, 05:29:47 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
It's a lot of fun. I flew it for about a month before the Big Week scenario. Not a great dogfighter but you can make some sharp maneuvers as long as you don't sustain them. Use the combat flaps when you need to turn hard. Be very careful with fuel. At 75% or above it has very strange stall and spin behavior. At 50% or below it has very sweet handling in all speed ranges.

Standard procedure was to burn off the Aux tank first, then the drops. This tank is located behind the pilot, and really screws up the Cg. Try it here too, it seems to cure the problem.

Another point addressing someone else's comment about poor guns. I have killed virtually everything in the planeset using just the 4 .303 Brownings in the Spitfire Mk.V or Seafire. It takes persistance, but it's no big deal. I would expect faster results with four .50s.

My regards,

Widewing

funkedup · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2002, 05:49:13 PM »

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Standard procedure was to burn off the Aux tank first, then the drops. This tank is located behind the pilot, and really screws up the Cg. Try it here too, it seems to cure the problem.

Yep the CG and inertia are dynamically calculated in AH, so the control and stability effects of fuel weight in that tank are just like it says in the manual.

Our missions always involved a long run on the fuse tank before hitting switching to externals. However, we usually only burned the fuse tank to 50% or 25% capacity, because we valued the increased range and combat endurance more than the stability improvement. If you are flying the Mustang right you are well above stall speed anyways.

fdiron · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2002, 06:25:30 PM »

The P51B is lighter, faster, and less stable than the P51D.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2002, 06:55:20 PM »

Widewing at least I have found out the hard way that when you face a squad of 4 ponies against you alone, you start hoping real quick for that snapshot kill capability of the 51D. 4:1 or 2:1 you can't afford to play for sustained shots..

Sometimes it amazes me how much difference it is, even when I fly the 51D with 4 gun package.

SpinDoc1 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2002, 07:21:43 PM »

It's amazing to think how culture has played up a 50 cal... Think about all those times people will gloat over movies where the single truck-mounted 50 cal destroys vehicles and people alike. It's a wonder that in AH, 4 of them on rapid bursts can't rip the aluminum wing off a plane, it's just seems to start smoking and lose little bits and parts at a time. Just my piece though...

BenDover · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2002, 07:55:01 PM »

thats holywood for you

SpinDoc1 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2002, 08:51:31 PM »

Not a bad point, but I've seen what a 50 can do in real life. Not a pretty sight...

BenDover · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2002, 09:20:30 PM »

you've also got to think about velocities:
stationary object and stationary .50 cal gun means full blunt
head ons mean increased damage
but from behind the the velocitie is equal to the difference between the velocitie of the aircraft

i'm proberly wrong about it, but its just my theory, and i'm no physics expert

SpinDoc1 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2002, 10:15:55 PM »

Actually, that is an excellent point, I think the AH modeling accounts for that. (Not on the N1k of course, which has killed me with 4 pings from 1.2k, but that's my whine for the week). I like the way the B model performs above 30k though. Decent speed and still has a great roll. What you would be doing at 30+ k in a plane though... I don't know, no one ever goes that high! In real life a lot of the air battles were fought at high altitudes. In AH though, we get into the Counterstrike-esque mode of playing and go for the first nme con we see, altitude or not!

Frost · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2002, 10:35:53 PM »

I've been flying the P51-B around quite a bit the last little while. As long as your not competing to put the most amount of lead into a plane, the guns are great. I routinely down 4-5 planes per sortie without rearming. Nice and fast, compression is easily manageable and it turns pretty well. Great little plane. Just remember to aim for the wings to get the most out of your ammo.