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Offline StSanta

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New cpu, but performance the same?
« on: February 20, 2002, 08:21:17 AM »
Very weird. My cII566 @707 crapped out some time ago, so I've bought a PIII 1Ghz. Couldn't afford a full motherboard/ram/cpu upgrade, so I just bought the fastest CPU my current motherboard can take.

Tried Medal of Honour - Allied Assault. HUGE difference: am actually getting more than 10fps, and can play with graphics settings very high. VERY big increase in performance.

The problem is, in Aces High, there's really no difference - at 1280*1024 and 32 bit, sitting on the runway I get 26 fps. That's the same or even slightly worse than before. Been meddling around with graphics (which seems changed for some reason), but to no avail: FPS is still low.

Graphics look different than before, but that's probably because I installed new video drivers since I figured that had to be it.

Always thought that the processor was the bottleneck: same fps at virtually all resolutions before, or close to it, except switching to 32bit, where it became a good bit slower. This was true of Rogue Spear, Medal Of Honor and other games.

But virtually NO increase in AH. Very odd. If someone can identify the bottleneck of problem for me, I'd appreciate it.

Setup:
PIII 1Ghz cpu
ASUS CUV4X (think that's the one)
384Mb 133mhz RAM
ASUS V6600 Geforce 1 32MB ram.
CH Fighterstick USB
CH Throttle analogue
SB64 PCI
GC3 gamecard

Drivers for geforce card are 23 something: dated 1-29-2001

Oddly enough, although it is 32 mb: this show up for me:


It shows 60121k available memory, but my card only has 32 mb! Bug in AH?

There's also something I best can describe as 'stuttering' when I roll. It is very visible when I look forward-left and roll - when the landscape gets in view, it is as if the FPS is maybe 15 or less, although AH fps says "34" or something like that.

No interrupt request channel conflicts or anything.

Am also getting a 'crackling' noise in Medal of Honor when music is playing at the same time as sound effects. Had that in AH for a bit, but it went away.

The way I see it, it's either the graphics card, but that doesn't make sense, since Ah isn't much eye candy, rather more CPU intensive, or the soundcard. Somehow, the soundcard interferes with the rest of the puter.

Lastly, something I haven't quite worked out yet: Installed the CPU, everything works fine, yet when I start up, the BIOS mumbles something about CPUID not being correct and it therefore cannot update the bios. Doesn't seem related to performance issues in AH, as MOH works well, except the crackle on the voice (perhaps stutter is there too, haven't noticed)

Unfortunately, AH doesn't seem to work without a soundcard, so I haven't been able to see if that is the cause.

Any suggestions, even obvious ones, are welcome.

Offline Zigrat

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2002, 08:23:26 AM »
its your vid card. bump res to 1024 and you will see big fps increase

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2002, 08:27:49 AM »
Your vid card is the culprit ...

You see an increase in the other games because the CPU give more processing time to the AI whereas in AH there is none ...

If you have any money left you should afford a Geforce3 Ti 200 and it will be OK.

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It shows 60121k available memory, but my card only has 32 mb!


It's because of the AGP which permit the card to use main memory
« Last Edit: February 20, 2002, 08:31:08 AM by straffo »

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2002, 08:28:58 AM »
Santa, I went from Gf1 to Gf3 and got 30% performance increase in AH with same CPU (K7 700Mhz).

The memory you see is 32 Mb from your GF1 plus 32 main memory accessed by AGP (try increasing AGP aperture to 128 from the bios setup).

As a last suggestion, go to http://www.reactorcritical.com and download and try several TNT2/Gforce drivers, you will find enormous performance increase/decrease with them.

And try to use Dx8.01.

Offline Wotan

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2002, 09:14:40 AM »
santa gunthr and I had same sound prob with that  mobo

but I have gf3 and get 65 fps

the sound cracking was bad fer me in ghost recon and mohaa demo. and sound was real screwed in sh2

I spent 4 days tweaking and got rid of the sound problems. In the Hardware forum dp a search for your mobo and you can see the steps I went thru. also I went bac to an older vrs of the via 4 in 1st which totally got rid of my sound probs.

Also make sure you have anti aliasing off that may be why it looks different and may give you a few fps.......

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2002, 10:22:32 AM »
Fillrate.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2002, 10:29:54 AM »
I am very happy with CUV4X, works great with 1 GHz PIII and the Voodoo. Awhile back, I went from PIII 650/100 to PIII 1000/133 and saw a huge difference (better than 35% improvement in all games and benchmark software). Even going from CAS3/100 to CAS2/133 RAM made a measurable (although small: about 3 to 5 fps) difference.

I just got my dad a BIOSTAR M6VCF for $30, which is a micro ATX board with the same VIA chipset as the CUV4X. Performance is now identical (as it should have been given that all other components are the same in our computers). The PCCHIPS PC133 mobo it replaced based on the SiS chipset really crippled my dad's performance: about 1/2 the fps in any 3D game.

We can finally play games together without unfair fps differences.

Would a board with an Intel chipset run significantly faster than a CUV4X with the 1 GHz PIII? I don't feel the need to gamble at this point because I now have two computers running both stable and fast with Windows 98SE. The VIA 4in1 drivers were less than optimal a year or two ago, but they really rock now :)
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2002, 11:09:52 AM »
Downlaoded latest VIA drivers: gave me a little bit of extra fps, but not much.

Running at 1024 gave me about 5 fps top: not worth it.

Wonder why Streakegle's system runs so much better than mine?

Gonna try to find DX8.01. Got 8.0a installed.

Feh :/
« Last Edit: February 20, 2002, 11:12:18 AM by StSanta »

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2002, 11:13:03 AM »
Santa, DX8.1... it's at http://www.microsoft.com/directx
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2002, 11:21:37 AM »
1) Check BIOS for the vid memory setting. Increase AGP aperture to 128 or 256 in BIOS (when you can access it).

"when I start up, the BIOS mumbles something about CPUID not being correct and it therefore cannot update the bios"

Ew. Try removing the CMOS battery for 10 mins and then putting it back in.

2) If you have VIA chipset, get the newest drivers. They really important

3) Try taking out your sound card. Just a wild guess.

4) Hope to god you dont use a WINMODEM.

5) Install dx8.1 (I thought 8.1 was required for AH now)

6) disable anti-aliasing on vid card

7) Check SAFE MODE / DEVICE MANAGER , check under monitors and video adapters .. remove all that arent the ones you have. If duplicates, remove them all and restart.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2002, 11:26:29 AM »
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Downlaoded latest VIA drivers: gave me a little bit of extra fps, but not much.

Running at 1024 gave me about 5 fps top: not worth it.

Wonder why Streakegle's system runs so much better than mine?

Gonna try to find DX8.01. Got 8.0a installed.

Feh :/


I'm running a P4, 1.7 with a nVidia G Force3 card (64meg) and I've never seen less than 46 fps, with the mid 60s being typical, 76 fps at the very best. Res is set at 1152 with a 19 inch monitor. Looks like you need to upgrade your video card to get a marked increase in frame rate. At least, that's where I'd look first.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2002, 11:37:46 AM »
I have the same  Asus Gforce card, and an Asus v4( something) Motherboard. pIII 800 and i get well into the 50's on the runway.  I'm running 32 bit 1024 res.  

I'll check what drivers i'm running, but i have no problems with that card including furballs in the smoke.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2002, 03:29:34 PM »
 gf3 same mobo as Santa but a piii 866 and get 55-65 fps I have sblive pc128. The newest via drivers are not always the best I reverted back to an old build and it cleared up my problems.

Goto to lephturns site or read his ah bbs sig he recomends different det drivers for each type of gf card. Again new is not always better.........

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2002, 04:18:39 PM »
Hey Santa you brat.
Is the Geforce SDRAM or DDR ?


That makes a huge difference.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2002, 04:48:10 PM »
StSanta,

I agree with others about the vidcard settings being part of the problem.  I went from Dx8.0a to Dx8.1 and got a minimum of
20 fps increase.  

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Hope it helps

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